Web Wiz Support and Community Forums : Edit forum design https://forums.webwiz.net/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sun, 12 Apr 2026 04:25:09 +0000 Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:46:54 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.08 360 https://forums.webwiz.net/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=13764 <![CDATA[Web Wiz Support and Community Forums]]> https://forums.webwiz.net/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://forums.webwiz.net/ <![CDATA[Edit forum design : The registration page &#039;register.asp&#039;...]]> https://forums.webwiz.net/edit-forum-design_topic13764_post76282.html#76282 Author: WebWiz-Bruce
Subject: 13764
Posted: 14 February 2005 at 10:46am

The registration page 'register.asp' is written in the way you have it in your second example:-

If a="" then %> Hello

It's just that there are so many ASP variables and 'if then' blockswithin the HTML most WYSIWYG Editors can not handle the amount of ASPwithin the HTML and so can not display the page correctly for editing.

Here is an example of the register.asp page:-

<tr bgcolor="<% = strTableColour %>" background="<% = strTableBgImage %>">
         <td valign="top"height="2" class="text" background="<% = strTableBgImage%>"><% = strTxtSelectAvatar %>
          <br/><span class="smText"><% = strTxtSelectAvatarDetails &intAvatarHeight & " x " & intAvatarWidth & " " &strTxtPixels %>).</span></td>
         <td valign="top" height="2" background="<% = strTableBgImage %>" >
          <tablewidth="290" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="1">


The top part of the page where most of the ASP code is in the first1200 lines, it is just for processing entered data and not for pagedisplay.


Edited by -boRg- - 14 February 2005 at 10:47am]]> Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:46:54 +0000 https://forums.webwiz.net/edit-forum-design_topic13764_post76282.html#76282 <![CDATA[Edit forum design : Excuse me for being dumb, but...]]> https://forums.webwiz.net/edit-forum-design_topic13764_post76280.html#76280 Author: jackbros
Subject: 13764
Posted: 14 February 2005 at 10:29am

Excuse me for being dumb, but I still cannot see the use for the
 
If a="" then write "Hello"
 
as opposed to
 
If a="" then %> Hello
 
With the second one you get a visual if you need it. What are the advantages/disadvantages?
]]> Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:29:19 +0000 https://forums.webwiz.net/edit-forum-design_topic13764_post76280.html#76280 <![CDATA[Edit forum design : HTML is not a programming language....]]> https://forums.webwiz.net/edit-forum-design_topic13764_post76278.html#76278 Author: dpyers
Subject: 13764
Posted: 14 February 2005 at 10:15am

HTML is not a programming language. It is a language that tells you how to display content. A web browser only deals with how content is dsplayed.
Visual editors only deal with how content is displayed, not with the variables behind it's creation.
 
asp is a programming language that allows you to conditionally create both the content, and how it's to be displayed. It also allows you to interact with other server-side resources programmatically to enable functions for your web-app - e.g. uploads, mail, analyse user or request info, create security, etc.
 
What your doing is building a web application, not web pages.
Web applications are typically broken up into client (browser) and server code.
 
When you request an asp page from a server, it runs the code and returns html. Your browser then loads the html and ececutes any client-side code (usually javascript) that enables things like menu animation, and displays it.
 
A visual environment cannot represent the logic in either the server side code or the client side code. It can only represent how content is to be displayed.
 
Perhaps a better example of server-side code would be a page where you ask a client to enter a group of code and corresponding information fields. The asp for processing that code could be doing something on the server like...
If code = A, display information
If code = B, email information
If code = C, update data base with information
If code = blank and information not = blank, display an error
If code not = blank and information = blank, display a different error
If code = blank and information = blank capture browser header info, email to security, send user to a different page.
If code not = blank process next set of fields else end further processing.
 
You have a lot of options for each pair of fields and you could have hundreds of field pairs on the page. Can't think of how you could deal with that in a visual editor.
]]> Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:15:20 +0000 https://forums.webwiz.net/edit-forum-design_topic13764_post76278.html#76278 <![CDATA[Edit forum design : really this is the best way, and...]]> https://forums.webwiz.net/edit-forum-design_topic13764_post76276.html#76276 Author: dj air
Subject: 13764
Posted: 14 February 2005 at 10:09am

really this is the best way, and you get to learn the code even more.

and in the long term it saves when adding the asp if statements whichcan couse display problems and interm you have to write in code anyway.
]]> Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:09:44 +0000 https://forums.webwiz.net/edit-forum-design_topic13764_post76276.html#76276 <![CDATA[Edit forum design : Originally I did design the forum...]]> https://forums.webwiz.net/edit-forum-design_topic13764_post76274.html#76274 Author: WebWiz-Bruce
Subject: 13764
Posted: 14 February 2005 at 10:00am

Originally I did design the forum in Dreamweaver, but over the years somuch ASP code has been added that almost every line is now ASP.

For the last few years all the code I have written for this forum hashad to be done in a text editor with no WYSIWYG page display forediting.
]]> Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:00:14 +0000 https://forums.webwiz.net/edit-forum-design_topic13764_post76274.html#76274 <![CDATA[Edit forum design : IS this how web wiz forums was...]]> https://forums.webwiz.net/edit-forum-design_topic13764_post76270.html#76270 Author: jackbros
Subject: 13764
Posted: 14 February 2005 at 7:52am

IS this how web wiz forums was produced?

What is the need for Response write when you can just as well use straight text
 
ie
If a="" then %> Hello
If a="" then write "Hello"
 
This way one can design as they go?
 
 
]]> Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:52:36 +0000 https://forums.webwiz.net/edit-forum-design_topic13764_post76270.html#76270 <![CDATA[Edit forum design : unless you know of a program that...]]> https://forums.webwiz.net/edit-forum-design_topic13764_post76269.html#76269 Author: dj air
Subject: 13764
Posted: 14 February 2005 at 7:25am

unless you know of a program that can read asp then you have to write the code by had.

also means you have to visualise the code in your head.
]]> Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:25:06 +0000 https://forums.webwiz.net/edit-forum-design_topic13764_post76269.html#76269 <![CDATA[Edit forum design : How does one produce this forum...]]> https://forums.webwiz.net/edit-forum-design_topic13764_post76268.html#76268 Author: jackbros
Subject: 13764
Posted: 14 February 2005 at 7:17am

How does one produce this forum then, is it just coded without the visual part?]]> Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:17:40 +0000 https://forums.webwiz.net/edit-forum-design_topic13764_post76268.html#76268 <![CDATA[Edit forum design : The forum pages are basically...]]> https://forums.webwiz.net/edit-forum-design_topic13764_post76233.html#76233 Author: dpyers
Subject: 13764
Posted: 13 February 2005 at 5:16pm

The forum pages are basically server-side script that produces html.
 
There's no visual representation available as the scripting languages can, and usually do, write html conditionally
- e.g. If x then write "HI"  else write "BYE".
A visual editor would have no way of figuring out which word to display.
]]> Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:16:50 +0000 https://forums.webwiz.net/edit-forum-design_topic13764_post76233.html#76233 <![CDATA[Edit forum design : Hi there, I want to edit the...]]> https://forums.webwiz.net/edit-forum-design_topic13764_post75995.html#75995 Author: jackbros
Subject: 13764
Posted: 10 February 2005 at 3:10pm

Hi there,
 
I want to edit the registration page as I would like to insert more fields.
 
The whole forum is created with response.write statements making it difficult for me to design visually. How do I get around this. What program will allow me to design visually using this code. I currently use dreamweaver mx.
 
Thanks
 
J
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