Web Wiz Support and Community Forums : Flash: Why? https://forums.webwiz.net/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sun, 12 Apr 2026 11:12:26 +0000 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:17:58 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.08 360 https://forums.webwiz.net/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=19220 <![CDATA[Web Wiz Support and Community Forums]]> https://forums.webwiz.net/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://forums.webwiz.net/ <![CDATA[Flash: Why? : Lock this topic, as this has been...]]> https://forums.webwiz.net/flash-why_topic19220_post104170.html#104170 Author: Mikey
Subject: 19220
Posted: 13 April 2006 at 9:17pm

Lock this topic, as this has been fully discussed now. Thumbs Up]]> Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:17:58 +0000 https://forums.webwiz.net/flash-why_topic19220_post104170.html#104170 <![CDATA[Flash: Why? : That&#039;s why you have access...]]> https://forums.webwiz.net/flash-why_topic19220_post104160.html#104160 Author: wistex
Subject: 19220
Posted: 13 April 2006 at 7:56pm

That's why you have access to the source code, mate.  Modify at will. Wink

There are some things in the 7.x version that I did not like the way Borg implemented it, so for the ones that mattered to me enough to do something about it, I changed it.

I have yet to find a forum package (or any software or script for that matter) that does everything like I want it to.  WWF is the best ASP forums around and secure to boot.  It makes an excellent base upon which to build your website.  Especially since its commented so well.
]]> Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:56:54 +0000 https://forums.webwiz.net/flash-why_topic19220_post104160.html#104160 <![CDATA[Flash: Why? : Nope. ]]> https://forums.webwiz.net/flash-why_topic19220_post104156.html#104156 Author: djlurchg
Subject: 19220
Posted: 13 April 2006 at 6:37pm

Nope.]]> Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:37:00 +0000 https://forums.webwiz.net/flash-why_topic19220_post104156.html#104156 <![CDATA[Flash: Why? : Flash is used because it was the...]]> https://forums.webwiz.net/flash-why_topic19220_post104153.html#104153 Author: WebWiz-Bruce
Subject: 19220
Posted: 13 April 2006 at 6:25pm

Flash is used because it was the only option as IE will not animate GIF's after the submit button is clicked, as I have already explained.

I'm sorry to the 5% of people may not have Flash installed, but I believe the 2 hours of writing 3 pages of replies explaining all the reasoning covers pretty much everything.

We now know why it has been done how it is, we know allot of people quite like the feature, and we know you don't like it. Do we really need to keep going over it?
]]> Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:25:57 +0000 https://forums.webwiz.net/flash-why_topic19220_post104153.html#104153 <![CDATA[Flash: Why? : This is probably better than...]]> https://forums.webwiz.net/flash-why_topic19220_post104147.html#104147 Author: djlurchg
Subject: 19220
Posted: 13 April 2006 at 5:56pm

Quote This is probably better than just hoping, like in other forums, thatthe client browser has handled cookies and session correctly for login,only for the user to be puzzled why they are not logged in if an issueoccurs.


You're questioning VBBs and phpBBs implementation? They are the standard by which all others are measured.

Quote Take an issue that was reported to me only yesterday with a site hostedby readyhosting.com. Readhosting have recently upgraded their SQLserver, but network speed between web server and SQL Server is awful,meaning that the search now takes 20 seconds to run instead of it'sprevious 1 second or less.


So now you're responsible for your users running the software on a terrible host? What you are talking about is a hosting issue, not a software issue. If people want to host with a company that provides such terrible service, that's their perogative.

Let me ask again, what about the 5%-10% of users that don't have flash installed?
]]> Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:56:32 +0000 https://forums.webwiz.net/flash-why_topic19220_post104147.html#104147 <![CDATA[Flash: Why? : Searches with 200,000 posts in...]]> https://forums.webwiz.net/flash-why_topic19220_post104094.html#104094 Author: WebWiz-Bruce
Subject: 19220
Posted: 13 April 2006 at 9:46am

Searches with 200,000 posts in tests take less than 1 second to perform, but this is with SQL Server running under localhost with no other load on the server.

In the real world this can take longer if the server is; located away from the web server and there is heavy network load; the network is generally slow; the database or web server server is under heavy load; etc.

All these  issues can not be controlled by the  forum engine, which is very fast. The progress bar, that most people like, in these uncontrolled circumstances is very useful.

Take an issue that was reported to me only yesterday with a site hosted by readyhosting.com. Readhosting have recently upgraded their SQL server, but network speed between web server and SQL Server is awful, meaning that the search now takes 20 seconds to run instead of it's previous 1 second or less.

In these circumstances the progress bar is very useful, for those on faster servers, the progress bar will not course any performance issues and will only briefly display in the users browser if at all.

The intermediate page to let the user know they are logged in is  just a nice way of informing the user that they have successfully logged in, or not if a cookie or session error has occurred. The previous file does all the work, but until the response is sent to the client browser there is no way to tell if the client browser is having issues with cookies or sessions, so the page is used as a round robin response to test this.

This is probably better than just hoping, like in other forums, that the client browser has handled cookies and session correctly for login, only for the user to be puzzled why they are not logged in if an issue occurs.
]]> Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:46:13 +0000 https://forums.webwiz.net/flash-why_topic19220_post104094.html#104094 <![CDATA[Flash: Why? : All this talk about how the intermediary...]]> https://forums.webwiz.net/flash-why_topic19220_post104087.html#104087 Author: djlurchg
Subject: 19220
Posted: 13 April 2006 at 8:31am

All this talk about how the intermediary flash popup being a good thing...I noticed that when you log on it takes you to an intermediary HTML page that employs a meta-refresh. A slow meta-refresh at that BTW. Some popular forum players use intermediary pages for various purposes.

Also, I noticed that VBB and phpBB use no intermediary page or popup. They just load the page. Those are forums that can handle searching 200,000 posts without delays.

They use a MySQL or SQL Server backend. WWF can use those or Access. Access really shouldn't be any slower. If it does get to slower, then the site admin really shouldn't be using Access for their backend anyway because they are probably exceeding the 10 concurrent connections limit and are being throttled by the Access limiter.

I'm just imagining what happens to the 5-10% of web surfers that don't have flash installed when they use WWF.  Will they be prompted to download the evil Flash just to see a forum popup?

borg, I know you're frustrated with the gif animation issue, but is the search delay that much? Just wondering. If you say yes, then give me a timing or two and I'll be happy to let it rest.
]]> Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:31:05 +0000 https://forums.webwiz.net/flash-why_topic19220_post104087.html#104087 <![CDATA[Flash: Why? : Mikey wrote: Lol Wistex your...]]> https://forums.webwiz.net/flash-why_topic19220_post104070.html#104070 Author: wistex
Subject: 19220
Posted: 13 April 2006 at 3:22am

Originally posted by Mikey Mikey wrote:

Wacko Lol Wistex your one of the WWF members that make me feel sane Tongue
I do my best. Wink
]]> Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:22:40 +0000 https://forums.webwiz.net/flash-why_topic19220_post104070.html#104070 <![CDATA[Flash: Why? : It should be in the original images...]]> https://forums.webwiz.net/flash-why_topic19220_post103973.html#103973 Author: WebWiz-Bruce
Subject: 19220
Posted: 12 April 2006 at 11:16am

It should be in the original images zip file found on the main forum download page.]]> Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:16:38 +0000 https://forums.webwiz.net/flash-why_topic19220_post103973.html#103973 <![CDATA[Flash: Why? : -borg- can you upload the *.fla...]]> https://forums.webwiz.net/flash-why_topic19220_post103952.html#103952 Author: miladanimator
Subject: 19220
Posted: 12 April 2006 at 5:45am

-borg- can you upload the *.fla file of Progress bar ? I want change the colour of bar like my skin ... ]]> Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:45:51 +0000 https://forums.webwiz.net/flash-why_topic19220_post103952.html#103952