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    Posted: 07 July 2004 at 12:09am
I got to know that there are more and more freelancer software developer who work at home in Europe. Is that true? I'm a Malaysian, from South East Asia.

I thought of moving toward that area but can anyone give me some advice? Eg, how you all get started? How's the pay like? I heard need to wait for 2-3 months after implementation, only then I can received my pay. What challenges you all have faced especially at the beginning?

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web developers developing server side applications can take over one hundred United States of America dollars per hour here in Norway.. but that is those with higher education.. if you are a good developer without high education you can take between 50 and 100..

It may be hard to get a job as freelance developer unless you create your own company and a product to sell.. there are many of them around here..
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freelance work is only good if u head in right direction, get trusted and worthed ppl to deal and work with and not a bunch of sh*theads and last of all..get involved in reputable projecct which helps u build reputations

what is the right direction?? dont ask me


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I use frelancers periodically. If they're not from my local area, they tend to be people I've run across in various forums/news groups whose style I liked - meaning they answered questions in a technically proficient mature manner and seemed to have a commitment to accuracy and have been in the group for a while.

I pay freelancers that I haven't had a lot of experience with a percentage upon some milestones being completed and the remainer upon completion of the project. Freelancers I've worked with a lot get paid like I do - a percentage up-front (to ensure their commitment), something for my contracted milestones, and the remainder when I get paid upon project completion. Don't think a good one would work with me again if they had to wait 3 months to get paid.

You need to know how to get the money to your country. This can be difficult and I've dropped people who it was to hard to pay. Do your homework on this.

Don't offer to do "anything". Usually means you're not an expert in anything. Identify your core compentencies and join forums/news groups who cover them. Get yourself known there. Note that many of them have policies about advertising your services. Read the FAQ and lurk for a bit.

I stay away from the freelance boards. To many wannabees there. The Boss's advice about getting involved with a reputable project is a good one. Lots of open source stuff out there looking for people to help. Pick one that has commercial potential or that will be used as a component on many web sites.

Basically, you get work based upon your reputation and its up to you to develop a good one in some visible places.


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hmmm.. try to list some websites you developed or something... they have to know how far you are... so they can count on you.
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Thanks for everyone's advice. I got more tips now. Right now, my plan is to get a domain, to put my resume, my portfolio, my project etc.
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Originally posted by ngaisteve1 ngaisteve1 wrote:

Thanks for everyone's advice. I got more tips now. Right now, my plan is to get a domain, to put my resume, my portfolio, my project etc.

try to put as many clients as you can.. even if you are going to develop their website for free

This helps in building a good name.

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Large portfolios that demonstrate a range of talent help a lot. I got started doing freebies for non-profits just to get a body of work I could point to. Still do some freebies each year for orgs I like.

One mistake I made early was having an agreement to put my name on a non-profit web site. Sooner or later, someones kid nephew comes along with FrontPage and would "improves" a site to the point where I didn't want to be associated with it.


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