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Scotty32 
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Posted: 15 October 2006 at 11:23am |
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hi, i was trying to make my site w3c complete (why, i dont know) and it just threw out countless errors
it seems almost impossible to make that validator happy and EVERY time i try to be w3c compliant, i end up thinking their stupid
yeah, its all good and well being compliant for browsers, but w3c take it to far
anyway, i was wondering what people here think of being w3c compliance
do you spend half your life making the validator happy?
or do you ignore it?
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Posted: 15 October 2006 at 11:28am |
I try and make my sites as valid as possible, I have done it before.  What are you trying to validate: XHTML, HTML, CSS?
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Posted: 15 October 2006 at 12:37pm |
W3C Compliance is the biggest headache since cross browser compatibility! If you were building a plain XHTML/HTML site with CSS formating then it works fine but try and add a little imagination and 'pow' throws the validator right off  I check my sites with various people with disabilities etc and myself being half blind and so long as they can use the site then i give it the Mikey seal of approval 
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Posted: 15 October 2006 at 2:11pm |
It is possible, I hope my new site will pass the following validations
XHTML Strict
CSS
Edited by pjb007 - 15 October 2006 at 2:11pm
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Posted: 15 October 2006 at 5:43pm |
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I try not have any w3c html validation errors on the main pages of a site - note that there's a distinction between errors and warnings. Usually my sites have valid html for the doctype except for a few background image alt tags and object/embed tags for flash.
I do a lot with CSS - e.g. menu rollovers - instead of using javascript and CSS is a lot easier to implement if the html is valid.
My business site always validates and any sites I use for a reference will validate as well - at least the publicly exposed pages will. The program I use to generate an ACID app for admin pages creates some real last-millennium code.
I've gotten jobs because a customer checked my site for validation. I'm also not shy about pointing out to potential customers that a given competitor can't even write valid code for their own site or for the customers site - and I can use the w3c to "prove" it.
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Posted: 16 October 2006 at 6:36am |
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I think it's good if you don't know totally what you are doing as it means your site should work in all browsers, which allot of sites don't.
But if you are quite knowledgeable on allot of different browsers, and older versions of those browsers, and regularly test your site works in all major (and minor) browsers, inc. platforms, there are no reasons why you should stick completely with w3c validation as it can be a bit over the top and be quite hard, if not impossible sometimes, to get an item/feature to work how it should and validate with w3c.
Even the browser makers themselves have problems building a browser that is w3c compliant, I don't think any currently are fully w3c compliant and support modern standards. If there are let me know?
Edited by -boRg- - 16 October 2006 at 6:39am
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Posted: 16 October 2006 at 7:22am |
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I'm currently entirely redesigning one of my websites, and so far, I have managed to make it compliant.
Although I have spent alot more time that i normally would on it.
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Posted: 16 October 2006 at 3:23pm |
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Revamping an existing site can be awkward as you usually wind up deleting a lot of older html tag attributes and replacing them with css that is acceptable for the newer doctypes.
On the other hand, creating a new site is a lot easier because there're practically no html attributes used - just tags and css.
TopStyle Pro (don't know aabout the light version) has the capability to read an html file and automatically delete all the style attributes and replace them with css classes.
Finally... use a good doctype - it makes getting to compliance a lot easier. Trash the html Transitional doctypes - they've been around for 8 or 9 years - time to stop transiting and to finally arrive someplace. HTML 4.01 Strict uses practically no tag attributes - compliance is a piece of cake.
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