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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote javi712 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 July 2007 at 4:40pm
Definitely change web hosts. If you are having this much trouble with your forum, its due to your hosting company and not the forum itself. I pay a nice amount for hosting a month, but I have had very little trouble with my forum and any trouble I had, my hosting company worked with me to resolve it. They never asked me to kills certain apps or that I can't run certain apps, they were very proactive in helping me keep my forum running smoothly.

A change of hosts will do you good and if you expect a huge growth of your forums, no one better than to host it with borg since this is probably the biggest wwg forum out there and if his servers can keep this forum running smoothly and fast, your's should experience no problems at all.
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Anyone here willing to share their WWF forum URLs so I can take a look and compare some stats?
Not looking to "take" anything, just want to compare numbers. This will be a big leap, and again, this is a sort of saving face thing after the history of forums related to our hobby, we made a promise so we must be up, and must not let it appear that we're having any problems. If we move, it's gotta be seemless and FAST!
But seeing some other forums with some real-world stats might help, at least to ease my mind if nothing else. They'll pretty well go along with my advice or suggestions, so I need to make certain of my convictions before suggesting anything. My reputation is at risk.......
Thanks.
In the meantime, I will watch the numbers here, this very forum, and do some figuring.
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This forum is tiny, we have forums on our systems that get over 1000 posts per day.

I've also heard from quite a few people who run Web Wiz Forums and have between 200 and 500 active users and nearing a million posts.
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BillD,
 
I switched to WWF a few months ago from Snitz Forums. Snitz Forums was taking up all my bandwidth usage. I have been very happy with the performance of WWF since we switched over. 
 
I have a pretty different set up than you, however. We average 2000 posts a day. My forums are here http://www.diaperpin.com/forum08
I have a dedicated server, mostly due to the popularity of our forums.
 
Hopefully this info helps.
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Wow, what a cool site! I've not had little ones for many years now (they are 22 and 25) but that's a neat design, and seems to be quite popular!

OK, our current host removed the support for asp.net from our service and now things have really settled down. The forum is faster, we don't get bumped off (logged out) and the count of current users is accurate!
He states it will not only not be a problem in the future should we need asp.net back, but that it is actually much better behaved, uses less memory and reduces server load, and that asp.net keeps session info in the database to further reduce load. In fact, he seemed to recommend that. He's stating that if the forums were asp.net based, we'd be better off performance and service-wise.
So for now....... we've settled down and are much faster and stable and wow, are we growing! And heavily used.
I still am somehow leaning toward switching hosts - and if so, would probably be to "here" - it just makes sense.

I'd still, however, like to see examples of what others are running the wwf forums and how many members, posts, etc. so I'd get a feel for things.
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Originally posted by billd3 billd3 wrote:

We just got an emergency message from our host!
Apparently, we're killing the server with the forums.
Since this is ALL we run on the server, it's got to be something with the forums, our setup, or some functionality of the forums
We're going to literally lose our account/host if we don't fix it ASAP.
ARRRGG! And we were just getting going, and the responses were overwhelming!

......
 
Here's their message to us:

Hello,

Your account was found to be using 167MB or ram on the Indus Server....

Best Regards,

Bill King

System Admin Team - Windows and Linux Junior System Administrator I



AH CRAP!!! :( :( :(

I just got the same notice tonight from the same webhost, and from the same guy too. O_O .. I just checked out the message they sent you and  yeh, my site is on the same server as yours, the Indus server.. :/

Apparently I'm using 207mbs of ram, but I'm racking my brains at how I am taking up so much resources when I only run WWF 9, and a small rss feed script which grabs one feed every hour and writes it into an xml file (no database connections or sessions used, all variables destroyed properly etc). I get 12 visitors to my small forum at the most at any particular time, so uh... I'm at a total loss as to what I can do to reduce the load O_O.

Just to compare your site stats to mine, this month you've averaged 1347 hits per hour, my site averages only 100 hits per hour. So yeh, I have a lot less traffic than you, but somehow I'm using up a lot more ram... o_O

I've disabled my rss feed script, and I'm left with the forum :/ Hopefully they wont shut me down :(


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I would certainly say change web host ASAP.

The web host in question offers 400Gig data transfer, unlimited SQL Server, etc. for very little money. This business model would be impossible to sustain. So they have to find other ways to limit that make these very generous levels impossible to ever reach.

What this web host is doing is to give each sites it's own application pool, so the first time the database is connected to, an email sent from your site, an upoad takes places, etc. the driver for that needs to be loaded into memory. IIS then keeps this driver in memory incase it's needed again to speed up performance. Add to this another 10KB per user, the amount of memory your site uses soon gets very high.

By doing it the way your web host is, it means that you would be lucky to run any ASP, or ASP.NET web site on their system and have more than 100 visitors per day using around 5,000Gig per month. No were near the unrealistic figures that they give in their advertising speel.

When you signup to a web host that appears to be giving allot more for your money, check the small print as often this is just advertising spin to get you to bite and not what you are really getting.
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mr. boRg sir - please educate me/us!
I know a bit about servers (I'm a network admin for the state of Iowa in the U.S.) but am not a professional web host and only dabble in IIS.
How do others handle the application memory?

For example, you state that they "give each sites it's own application pool,"  which is correct, I'm sure - but what are the alternatives and why is one way better?? I'd like to know how you, or others, handle that!

I can make better decisions when I know the "why" of something, not just that it's so. Used to drive my teachers nuts - I'd ask them "why" or "prove it". LOL

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>>What this web host is doing is to give each sites it's own application pool, so the first time the database is connected to, an email sent from your site, an upoad takes places, etc. the driver for that needs to be loaded into memory. IIS then keeps this driver in memory incase it's needed again to speed up performance. Add to this another 10KB per user, the amount of memory your site uses soon gets very high.<<
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