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Topic: MS Access bringing down 2003 Server sites
Posted By: Scotter
Subject: MS Access bringing down 2003 Server sites
Date Posted: 16 June 2004 at 8:36pm
on my 2003 Server, I've encountered a bug with any web application that uses an MS Access database as back-end and gets a moderate number of hits. The site (and any other sites in same application pool) will go down. I have four Web Wiz Forums running on this server and all were going down. All other ASP/Access apps were going down, too, except for the ones having barely any visits per day.

I talked to a MS Support guy and he said there is a hotfix not published on their site because it is going into SP1 for 2003 Server. Here is the email he sent me after I talked on the phone with him (I'm going to create a new topic for this because it is important):

The hot fix for your issue has been packaged and placed on an HTTP site for you to download.

WARNING: This fix is not publicly available through the Microsoft website as it has not gone through full Microsoft regression testing.  If you would like confirmation that this fix is designed to address your specific problem, or if you would like to confirm whether there are any special compatibility or installation issues associated with this fix, you are encouraged to speak to a Support Professional in Product Support Services.

The package is password protected so be sure to enter the appropriate password for each package.  To ensure the right password is provided cut and paste the password from this mail.

NOTE: Passwords expire every 7 days so download the package within that period to insure you can extract the files.  If you receive two passwords it means you are receiving the fix during a password change cycle.  Use the second password if you download after the indicated password change date.

Package:
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KB Article Number(s): 838306
Language: English
Platform: i386
Location: ( http://hotfixv4.microsoft.com/Windows%20Server%202003/sp1/Fix102757/3790/free/184439_ENU_i386_zip.exe - http://hotfixv4.microsoft.com/Windows%20Server%202003/sp1/Fi x102757/3790/free/184439_ENU_i386_zip.exe )
Password: ae^8WmiWHX

NOTE: Be sure to include all text between '(' and  ')' when navigating to this hot fix location!

Thanks!




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Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 16 June 2004 at 9:59pm

I believe this issue only occurs under heavy load conditions. Your DB may be moderately loaded, but it's the server load that causes the condition.

  • You may want to see how many users your host runs on a w2k3 server compared to other hosts. I think you'll find that the load falls along price lines.
  • Also, check with them to see what configuration options they use for w23k hosting... there's more than one and the most attractive ones for a hosting company just aren't reliable.
  • A lot of hosting companies have stayed away from w23k for stability issues like this and others. It needs another service pack or two.

I do thank you for pointing this out though. Could save some scrambling for an answer in the future. However, If any one directly downloads and runs an exe they find in a newsgroup on their server, I need to talk to them about a bridge I have for sale in metropolitan NYC. I don't are what the uri looks like.

Link to the KB article with instructions on obtaining the free patch are at http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;838306 - http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;8383 06



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Posted By: Scotter
Date Posted: 16 June 2004 at 11:07pm

Sorry about posting this in two places.

By the way, the 2K3 server I'm talking about is mine, not some host, so I know how heavy a load it is under and it isn't under much load (relative) compared to what kind of hardware I built it with; dual 2800+ with 4 gig of DDR RAM and fast mirrored drives. For all this power, it is only running a few moderately used web sites (approx 600 visitors/day for a couple sites and a few more that are more like 200 visitors/day and maybe ten more that are like 20 visitors/day). I talked to the guys at Microsoft for awhile about this issue and this bug doesn't take much Jet ADO use to cause it to act up. Since I patched, the server has shown no problems with any of the sites, but then it has only been a full day now. I'll keep you all posted if you want.



Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 17 June 2004 at 1:03am

Your intentions were good, you were trying to alert people - lot different than when someone posts the dessriptive title "Help Me" in 3 or 4 places.

This is the first time I've heard about this situation, but it certainly doesn't sound like your servers are overloaded. Just for my own info...
Did you try bouncing iis to clear the problem? The only time I'd seen an access lockup was when someone was opening connections in global.asa and bouncing iis cleared the connections. That was on a w2k server though.

I'd appreciate it if you'd follow up here if the problem returns as I'll be turning up a couple of w2k3 servers later this year.



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Posted By: Scotter
Date Posted: 17 June 2004 at 9:50am

Yeah this problem is not one that occurred in W2K. It is specific to W2K3. I still have a W2K server running and identical sites run fine on the W2K box.

The only unknown here is how many simultaneous ADO/ODBC connections to an Access database will cause the particular application pool to go down.

Going into day two (since the hotfix) now with nothing having gone down. This is compared to pre-hotfix when the moderate-traffic sites were going down two to three times a day.



Posted By: sledge1211
Date Posted: 25 June 2004 at 12:55pm
Originally posted by Scotter Scotter wrote:

on my 2003 Server, I've encountered a bug with any web application that uses an MS Access database as back-end and gets a moderate number of hits. The site (and any other sites in same application pool) will go down. I have four Web Wiz Forums running on this server and all were going down. All other ASP/Access apps were going down, too, except for the ones having barely any visits per day.

I talked to a MS Support guy and he said there is a hotfix not published on their site because it is going into SP1 for 2003 Server. Here is the email he sent me after I talked on the phone with him (I'm going to create a new topic for this because it is important):

The hot fix for your issue has been packaged and placed on an HTTP site for you to download.

WARNING: This fix is not publicly available through the Microsoft website as it has not gone through full Microsoft regression testing.  If you would like confirmation that this fix is designed to address your specific problem, or if you would like to confirm whether there are any special compatibility or installation issues associated with this fix, you are encouraged to speak to a Support Professional in Product Support Services.

The package is password protected so be sure to enter the appropriate password for each package.  To ensure the right password is provided cut and paste the password from this mail.

NOTE: Passwords expire every 7 days so download the package within that period to insure you can extract the files.  If you receive two passwords it means you are receiving the fix during a password change cycle.  Use the second password if you download after the indicated password change date.

Package:
-----------------------------------------------------------
KB Article Number(s): 838306
Language: English
Platform: i386
Location: ( http://hotfixv4.microsoft.com/Windows%20Server%202003/sp1/Fix102757/3790/free/184439_ENU_i386_zip.exe -



Posted By: Scotter
Date Posted: 25 June 2004 at 1:15pm

The patch solved all my IIS problems! The new server has now been up constantly since I installed the patch! Shwew! It was a nightmare with many sites going down all day long.

KB Article Number(s): 838306

Use the KB Article number above. Sorry but last I looked they do not post this hotfix on their site (maybe something to do with it being a beta fix). You need to call MS tech support - this particular call should be quite painless - at least it was for me compared to some other MS calls I've had to endure. The phone number is posted on the MS site as "paid" but you won't end up having to pay when you describe the problem and/or the KB article #. And they will pass you on to a tech guy and he will ask you about your problem and get your email addr and email you that file he sent me and give you a pw so you can use it.



Posted By: sledge1211
Date Posted: 28 June 2004 at 10:33am
The problem is only with 2003 servers and only when you are using access database files for your site. The connection to the database uses the 'jet database engine' which is where the problem is.
When a few people connect to a site on the server which is using the above method, the server stops serving asp pages, it continues to serve html but not asp on any site on the server. Nothing appears in event viewer and there are no other signs that anything is wrong (was a head scratcher as I monitor everything with snmp)
I gave in and rang Microsoft (the only way to get the hotfix for this issue) they give you a temporary download link to a zip file which is password protected (the password expires in 7 days)
Ive installed it and all looks rosy now, Ive had heavy load on the server and it stood the test.
Here the MS KB article on the subject
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;838306 - http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;8383 06

The patch is free but you got to ring in person, you have to quote the KB number (838306) so they know which patch to give you

If anyone does not want to ring Microsoft I will email you the patch
I'm too nice.

Cheerz
Rick


Posted By: ch2000
Date Posted: 07 August 2004 at 3:45am

dear sledge1211

Please email me the patch.thank you.

My email address is  mailto:admin@66ip.com - admin@66ip.com



Posted By: jbhost
Date Posted: 07 October 2004 at 2:57pm

Originally posted by sledge1211 sledge1211 wrote:

The problem is only with 2003 servers and only when you are using access database files for your site. The connection to the database uses the 'jet database engine' which is where the problem is.
When a few people connect to a site on the server which is using the above method, the server stops serving asp pages, it continues to serve html but not asp on any site on the server. Nothing appears in event viewer and there are no other signs that anything is wrong (was a head scratcher as I monitor everything with snmp)
I gave in and rang Microsoft (the only way to get the hotfix for this issue) they give you a temporary download link to a zip file which is password protected (the password expires in 7 days)
Ive installed it and all looks rosy now, Ive had heavy load on the server and it stood the test.
Here the MS KB article on the subject
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;838306 - http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;8383 06

The patch is free but you got to ring in person, you have to quote the KB number (838306) so they know which patch to give you

If anyone does not want to ring Microsoft I will email you the patch
I'm too nice.

Cheerz
Rick

 

Hello sledge1211,
Do you still have access to these patch files for the Windows 2003 server?  I would be sincerely grateful if you can email them to me at support - at - hostw3.com.  Thank you very much.



Posted By: xeerex
Date Posted: 08 October 2004 at 10:05am
Can you email it to me as well? I'll post it for download if anyone needs it until MS posts it publicly.

xeerex (at) gmail (dot) com is fine.


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Posted By: theSCIENTIST
Date Posted: 08 October 2004 at 5:03pm
So this is what was briging down my sites a few moths back when I used some with Access backend? There was no event logs, no errors or anything to point to a problem, all sites on the same app pool would just stop, humm I though, for a time I considered going back to W2K, but II6 is just that much more advanced.

Well, I moved all my sites to MSSQL so I don't really need the patch, but it's good to know what was causing the problem.

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Posted By: Antaris
Date Posted: 18 October 2004 at 7:50pm

It would have cost us £120 to phone microsoft and get that patch, so if you could email it to me, it would be primo:

matt [at] pwnewmedia [dot] com



Posted By: jbhost
Date Posted: 18 October 2004 at 9:10pm

Hello Antaris,

If you mention Microsoft KB number (838306) you will not get charged, they don't even ask you for a credit card.  No one can email you the patch because the password expires 7 days after you receive it.  Here's the number we called (888) 456-5570.  Good luck.

Joseph
HostW3

 

Originally posted by Antaris Antaris wrote:

It would have cost us £120 to phone microsoft and get that patch, so if you could email it to me, it would be primo:

matt [at] pwnewmedia [dot] com



Posted By: feon
Date Posted: 09 November 2004 at 11:19am

Hello sledge1211 and experts

 

Might any one could email the zip file to me, my website really suffer hang several times a day since 29/10 using WIn2003 ASP MS ACCESS MDB

Thanks in advance

email : feon@ecrazys.net



Posted By: feon
Date Posted: 09 November 2004 at 12:00pm

Hi, Antaris

Have you finally got the hot fix on msjtes40.dll ?

Date Time Version Size File name
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17-May-2004 23:38 4.0.8704.0 241,693 Msjtes40.dll

 

Could U be so kind to email to me if U got it



Posted By: feon
Date Posted: 09 November 2004 at 1:17pm

Got it from Canada microsoft:

http://hotfixv4.microsoft.com/Windows%20Server%202003/sp1/Fi x102757/3790/free/184439_ENU_i386_zip.exe)

 



Posted By: feon
Date Posted: 13 November 2004 at 9:26am

After several days' testing, the hotfix could in some means increase the response of web-site but the hang of ASP applications still several times a day. The same symptom as no fault in application and event log, only hang ASP applications but not HTML.

 

 



Posted By: glip80
Date Posted: 14 November 2004 at 7:26am

Please email me the patch.
mailto:glip1@yahoo.com - glip1@yahoo.com

Thank you.

 



Posted By: Mart
Date Posted: 14 November 2004 at 7:29am
Why can't you download it? he pasted a link


Posted By: JodoHost
Date Posted: 15 November 2004 at 10:33am

Yes, the Jet OLEDB issue is a notorious one that hit us back in January/February forcing us to downgrade to Windows 2000.

We've also applied this hotfix, works great, has encouraged us to deploy new Windows 2003 servers.



Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 15 November 2004 at 10:49am

Originally posted by JodoHost JodoHost wrote:

We've also applied this hotfix, works great, has encouraged us to deploy new Windows 2003 servers.

Just out of curiousity, are you doing application pooling at the domain or hsphere account level?



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Posted By: feon
Date Posted: 15 November 2004 at 11:00pm

"application pooling at the domain or hsphere account level?"

Might I know the difference you mentioned? Is it related to location of mdb files or ASP syntax?



Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 16 November 2004 at 7:48am

No, it's related to how many domains you have in an application pool.
Jodohost accounts use the hsphere control panel which can support multiple domains within a single account.
I was curious to know if they had a way to manage the application pool directly from hsphere and if that method was at the domain or at the control panel method.

A lot of web hosts have backed off from w2k3 and application pool problems is one of the most cited reasons for doing so. MS is supposed to be releasing a SP sometime but I know that some hsphere mod makers have been looking at the problem as well.



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Posted By: feon
Date Posted: 16 November 2004 at 8:02am

Thks dpyers

We have several website  under the inetpub\wwwroot directory. Is this the case you mentioned several domains under an application pool? We didn't encounter any hang before and we suspected the hang was happened since we added different websites to the inetpub directory.

We used EV1 hosting and no idea on hsphere.

 

 



Posted By: JodoHost
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 10:52am

All domains go the the default application pool automatically. HSphere doesn't recognise application pools

We change problematic or high traffic/resource sites to different application pools manually.


Posted By: sledge1211
Date Posted: 07 December 2004 at 4:58am
Jesus Chris you have one expensive phone, dont make any more calls anywhere and ring your phone company from another line.
 
Originally posted by Antaris Antaris wrote:

It would have cost us £120 to phone microsoft and get that patch, so if you could email it to me, it would be primo:

matt [at] pwnewmedia [dot] com



Posted By: sledge1211
Date Posted: 07 December 2004 at 4:58am
HELLO!!!!
 
Originally posted by Mart Mart wrote:

Why can't you download it? he pasted a link


Posted By: Stadi2
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 5:28am

Please HELP HELP HELP

I have the same proplems with Access!!!!
Please email me the patch - the upper Link doesnt work
 
thank you!
 
 
My Email is: mailto:rsta@bluemail.ch - rsta@bluemail.ch


Posted By: danp129
Date Posted: 21 January 2005 at 2:21am
That link works, remove the space in "fi x102757".
 
Originally posted by Stadi2 Stadi2 wrote:

Please HELP HELP HELP

I have the same proplems with Access!!!!
Please email me the patch - the upper Link doesnt work
 
thank you!
 
 
My Email is: mailto:rsta@bluemail.ch - rsta@bluemail.ch



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