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Topic: Intel VS AMD
Posted By: the boss
Subject: Intel VS AMD
Date Posted: 19 June 2004 at 11:56am

firstly was Intel's crappy HT chips (which i would rather call "High temps")

then was P4 EE & PreScott

while intel is busy pushing the speed numerics high withou causing any real increase in system performance, stability and functionality..

AMD has come up with chips capable to do 32bit and 64bit making the market transformationn easier..

AMD chips r not only cheaper but do more work per MHz than Intel and surely one of the MS slogan is .. "Do More with less"

Also AMD hyper transport system is great, reduces latencies and increases resources and bandwidth

then comes their opteron processer.. i personally worked on a dual processor opteron and Xeon but opteron appealed to me more than Xeon in performance vs features vs cost basis

Ohh and AMD has more multimedia extension than Intel supported by their processor



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Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 19 June 2004 at 12:41pm

I haven't compared them in a while, but last I checked, it really depended on what you needed to do for what chip to choose. I've got 1 box with an AMD processor and it just sucks. But then, I bought it super cheap and didn't care much about anything else. It's a 1.4 GHz but it tends to run hot a LOT and that leads to funkiness on the screen. It runs 24/7 though.

Some applications don't like AMD, and some love it. Time to check TomsHardware.com again I suppose. Oh, and if anyone does, check out the super overclocking - crazy! 5 GHz~!

 



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Posted By: MadDog
Date Posted: 19 June 2004 at 2:00pm

I like to think of AMD for gaming and Intel for Applications.



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Posted By: the boss
Date Posted: 19 June 2004 at 4:48pm

i agree with mad dog.. AMD got lot heat probs but can be solved with a good heat sink and should be a prob for ppl living in cold areas or ppl in air conditioned enviroments

intel is good for application but must compared to performance gained vs price issue..



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Posted By: pmormr
Date Posted: 19 June 2004 at 6:28pm
i'm thinking about building my own new server... i'll have to look into the AMD Opteron processor, if it's cheaper and better

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Posted By: michael
Date Posted: 19 June 2004 at 8:28pm
I think it is not so easy anymore to say Intel-app AMD-game. Sure many high end games are developed specifically for AMD Chips but these dats more and more applications are written to support AMD just as well as Intel. In terms of Server Appliances, Intel is sure still leading but I have a feeling that will soon change. From what I last heard, AMD will soon bring you a Multi-Processor Capable 64-bit CPU and compare those to Itanium in pricing, many verdors will go there.

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Posted By: the boss
Date Posted: 20 June 2004 at 12:26am

well AMD i deploy proper marketing techniques would steal the intel market for server processor and i belive they have a lot potential to be a server processor leader in future even if they dont gain lot in desktop market or completely drop their desktop division leaving intel a sole player

Itanium is extremely expensive and crappy anyway.. i have seen enougf of them.. if 64bit processing comes at a cost of arm , leg and most probably head too..it is bettter to invest that money on x86 and try other techniques to gain performance for small and mid size business

AMD has got some serious oppurtunity for a serious challenge and i wish they would not waste the resources on propoganda shows like "AMD Reality Checks"

As for those thinking to build opteron servers, i would say to go or it.. firstly u would ease ur transformation of applications to 64bit, will not have to roll out exisiting 32 bit applications and the performance gain vs price issue is wuite good for AMD.. it might be sure less a bit in performance but comparing a price difference it is easy to be convinces for such little performance drop..

think of business who need dozen's of servers, they would not only save a good amout of cash but can get more performance by using those saving to add more storage, RAM and proably a couple of extra server to the cluster..

AMD has more multimedia extensions support at a lower cost that would probably be the reason why many games are optimized for AMD.simply due to more support for multimedia and lower cost



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Posted By: huwnet
Date Posted: 21 June 2004 at 8:40am
I use AMD because it was cheaper!


Posted By: the boss
Date Posted: 22 June 2004 at 5:49pm
i would send a purchase order for AMD opteron servers soo.. the company im working for is goin to roll out all of their old servers (P3 1GHZ dual processor) and i am to decide what to purchase

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Posted By: the boss
Date Posted: 02 July 2004 at 2:02pm

shipment if 8 opteron based servers arriving end of july

4 dual processor servers, 2 single processor and 2 quad processor



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Posted By: the boss
Date Posted: 06 July 2004 at 6:51am

the DEP implemented by XPSP2 and W2K3 Server SP1 is developed and available on AMD plattforms only !



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Posted By: BoLt
Date Posted: 06 July 2004 at 8:01am

I tend to agree on most of the post here. AMD in most tests show a better performance than Intel chips the only problem is the heat. The more heat you have in the PC the less the reliability. If using AMD it is imperative that you check the CPU fan and heat sink from time to time. If you don’t the CPU could over heat and damage done. AMD are fantastic chips in relation to Intel for most applications including office related work.

This is somthig I did some time back...

 

These are results taken from some of the many top CPU

and bench marking testing sites on the net.

BapCo SysMark 2001 Benchmark Results

 

Processor / Test

Sysmarks

Ranking

 

Internet Content Creation

   

1.

Athlon XP2000+

194

 

2.

Pentium4 2.0GHz

210

 
 

Office Productivity

   

1.

Athlon XP2000+

190

 

2.

Pentium4 2.0GHz

142

 

The Pentium 4 chip kicks the but off the Athlon XP2000+ in the first round of benchmarks with Internet Content Creation by a lead of 16 points. The tables turn however when we look at Office productivity, where the Athlon XP 2000+ positively kills the P4 with a lead of almost 50 points.

SiSoft Sandra 001 Benchmark Results

 

Processor

Score

 

CPU Bench

 

1.

Athlon XP2000+ (Dhrystone)

4635 MIPS

2.

Pentium4 2.0GHz (Dhrystone)

3903 MIPS

1.

Athlon XP2000+ (Whetstone)

2321 MFLOPS

2.

Pentium4 2.0GHz (Whetstone)

1055 MFLOPS

 

Multimedia Bench

 

1.

Athlon XP2000+ (Integer)

9101 it/s

2.

Pentium4 2.0GHz (Integer)

7983 it/s

1.

Athlon XP2000+ (Floating Point)

10673 it/s

2.

Pentium4 2.0GHz (Floating Point)

9792 it/s

 

Memory Bench

 

1.

Athlon XP2000+ (Integer)

2014 MB/s

2.

Pentium4 2.0GHz (Integer)

1053 MB/s

1.

Athlon XP2000+ (Float)

1903 MB/s

2.

Pentium4 2.0GHz (Float)

1052 MB/s

SiSoft Sandra has been around for some time, and in this series of tests for CPU, Memory and Multimedia the Athlon XP 2000+ just kills the Pentium 4. It's almost painful to watch a $800CDN chip being out performed by one that is almost half the price

 

3DMark 2000 v1.1 Benchmark Results

 

Processor

3DMarks

Ranking

1.

Athlon XP2000+

11114

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Posted By: zMaestro
Date Posted: 06 July 2004 at 9:09am
so.. why do most ppl gets Intel's? why are most popular Brands use intel's?


Posted By: BoLt
Date Posted: 06 July 2004 at 9:50am

Most customer don’t see the facts they only see the name. Think of it this way you see Intel all over the TV adds when do you see AMD. It’s all down to publicity but I must admit with the latest chips specs from Intel there is a close running with AMD but only time will tell on that race.



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Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 06 July 2004 at 11:34am

Using processor names isn't really a fair comparison for AMD vs. Intel. It's more accurate to compare price because AMD processors are actually using less Hz than Intel's, although the names would tell you otherwise...

AMD markets their processors against Intel's naming convention because it makes more business sense. AMD processors are actually expensive, but they perform better, so... Look at a 2GHz AMD vs. an Intel 2GHz processor. The AMD will win in performance, but lose in price.

That's the real secret to comparing the two different chips... as long as they meet your requirements.

Some applications are "optimized" for specific chips, and when they are, and you need those applications everyday. Conversely, certain operations are performed better by AMD and others by Intel. So, if you are using applications that rely on certain operations more than others, then you side with the best chip for that type of operation.

AMD typically performs better for games - hence the push there and the buyer preference for AMD.

I've found that AMD works better with XP/2003 than 2000 as an OS. They tend to run hot when you run a heavy processor load, and give you wierd display results. I've never seen that on an Intel box.

 



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Posted By: the boss
Date Posted: 07 July 2004 at 3:54am

tru abt amd heat prob with the newer chips r coming with overheat protection i belive.. beside we all opreate computer at under 25C room temprature hence i dont think they will become hot to a damagind point..

ppl who live in colder areas usually have room temps lower than 25c

amd had a very crappy past with few good only but the bad was soo much they diminished the good.. secondly they always hace finance problem and dont stay up in competion with technology releases, likewise intel..they r constantly inventing something new..

i would consider amd a strong performer in the desktop market but i really admire their opteron when compared to intel xeon or itanium

amd with an opteron chip has provided a better solution to all kind of business i terms of fiance saving wether it is the 32 bit to 64 migration or straight use of 64bit

having a look the company budget i work for currently..it was completely impossible for them to roll out all servers in their office and replace then with xeon ones due to budget constrains..but with opteron we have got something more higher performing, more features and future upgreadeabilty with hardware change or additional cost and all that in less than the budget they were able to to afford..

if opterons support DEP also then there is another additional benifit we got at lower price still

since data centers opreate at low temp.. therefore no worry abt heat..

also i read abt xeon that they all share the same bandwidth bus so the performance drops as u increase number of processors but in case of amd hypertransport it is not the case

hyper transport is one more area which makes opteron kicks ass of xeon

i read abt some engneering software which was running on itanium but since they have added support for amd64 they have saved their customer around $13,000 on purchase of each 64bit computer system.. simply bcuz the ia64 cost is way high than amd64

and intel is soon to mirror the amd64 technology in their upcoming xeon processor

http://news.com.com/Intel%27s+Nocona+to+bust+out+in+June/2100-1006_3-5233500.html?tag=nl - http://news.com.com/Intel%27s+Nocona+to+bust+out+in+June/210 0-1006_3-5233500.html?tag=nl

intel made a fuss out of 64bit computing.. then in coventure with HP made the crappy itanium and sold it at extremely high prices and held is as some extremely complicated alien invented techonoly beyoed the IQ limits of humans to understand

what AMD did was they designed a dual core cpu like cpu which has dual 32 bit cores..they function indepent in parallel when in 32 bit mode giving a good performance boast over similar 32bit machine.. and two 32bit cores add up in series to give 64bit computing..then they broke the pot secret of intel and proved to market that 64bit transformation can be easy, affordable and a parallel upgrade process unlike itanium bcuz it would not be a good idea to be direct at 64bit since a lot of good tools and OS r not available for 64bit yet

http://news.com.com/AMD+advances+its+dual-core+plans/2100-1006_3-5233470.html?tag=st.rc.targ_mb - http://news.com.com/AMD+advances+its+dual-core+plans/2100-10 06_3-5233470.html?tag=st.rc.targ_mb

dual core is obviously better than HT which not only require the support to be hardcoded in the program to take advantage of HT but also is the HT heat barrier thats why they r better to be called High Temp

server manufacturers and software giants had been adressing the need of 64bit for a long time due to 32bit 4GB memory limitations but if 64bit comes at the cost of arm, leg and head.. who did be intrested.. the sale of IA64 is soo bad that microsoft for example doesnt seem to be really serious in releasing a full version of 64bit OS.. simply bcuz they know there are NOT too many people out there to bring a massive demans.. 

i dont trust amd in the desktops yet but i think that opnion is got to change after i get my hands on athalon 64 based pc...

http://news.com.com/A+year+old%2C+Opteron+serves+notice/2100 -1006_3-5197394.html?tag=st.rn - http://news.com.com/A+year+old%2C+Opteron+serves+notice/2100 -1006_3-5197394.html?tag=st.rn

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;824087 - http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;8240 87

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;826447 - http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;8264 47

3 out of four larget server manufacturers r offer opteron based servers where as rumors are that the fourth larget server manufacturer aka dell is in process of negotiations with amd

http://news.com.com/A+year+old%2C+Opteron+serves+notice/2100-1006_3-5197394.html?tag=st.rn - http://news.com.com/A+year+old%2C+Opteron+serves+notice/2100 -1006_3-5197394.html?tag=st.rn


Originally posted by zMaestro zMaestro wrote:

so.. why do most ppl gets Intel's? why are most popular Brands use intel's?

thats the human mentality..the MHZ hype..ppl always look at higher numbers at a base of better performance and compensate to pay more thinking it is faster so their expensditure is justified.. how many ppl are really technical enough to understand those bench marks.. not intel is realizing their MHZ hype is no more goin to work they r interducing a processor naming scheme smilar to that of amd..



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Posted By: BoLt
Date Posted: 07 July 2004 at 7:43am

Your correct about the MHZ hype, In the past it was so simple the bigger the number the faster the chip, now thats all gone and performance cannot be related to the MHZ. So how do you know you are getting performance for your buck? The only way is research and look for comparison reports on the CPUs.



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Posted By: the boss
Date Posted: 07 July 2004 at 10:39am

something not confirmed but i think the flop rate of cpu can provide fair comparision of cpu performance coupled with cache size and other things but processrs have grown complex and only speed along will not prove the capability..

like p4 mobile get its ass kicked by centrio at almost half clock rates

best thing is to search on the internet or the reptuable manufacturers should attach the bench mark results of some industry proven testing methods but the truth is day by day it getting harder to evaluate cpu and system for performance. well u can evaluate a cpu alone but then again the system performance depends on other factors like hard disk and ram and stuff.. a fast processor can be flushed down to toilet if u have a slow ram or hard disk



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