Getting IIS?
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Topic: Getting IIS?
Posted By: davidshq
Subject: Getting IIS?
Date Posted: 05 May 2005 at 10:02pm
Any ideas on how I could get my hands on a copy of IIS inexpensively? I
currently have Windows XP Home installed on my laptop and this
constantly causes trouble because I want to be able to run the scripts
on my local computer before I put them up on the server. Usually I can
get them to run using Web Matrix which comes with a mini-sever, but
having a full-fledged IIS would be nice. I don't want to go out and buy
a new Windows XP Professional just for that. David. ------------- - http://www.davemackey.net/" rel="nofollow - Dave Mackey - Virtual Home. |
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Posted By: Gullanian
Date Posted: 05 May 2005 at 10:45pm
| You don't have to buy a new OS, I think WinXP lets you upgrade to Pro possibly? Would be a lot cheaper. |
Posted By: xeerex
Date Posted: 05 May 2005 at 11:58pm
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One "cheap" option would be to setup a Win98 box on your LAN if you
have a spare PC and install PWS, which is not longer supported at all
by MS. You could also find a cheap copy of Win2k Pro which includes IIS
(with limitations) and do the same thing or setup a dual boot situation
on 1 pc. One other possibility is try to take a look at Richard Sandoz's method for installing IIS on XP Home. You will still need a Win2k or XP CD with certain files. Disclaimer: If you try this, it is entirely at your own risk. I can verify that I have gotten the method to work quite some time ago just as an experient, which is why I actually asked (and received) permission from Richard to reprint his article on my site. http://www.rexpage.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19&KW=sandoz - http://www.rexpage.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19&KW=sandoz ------------- http://webspacegeeks.com - Need Hosting, Domains, Dedicated Servers? http://www.smartergeek.com - web design | pc support | training | podcasts | video production |
Posted By: MadDog
Date Posted: 06 May 2005 at 1:52am
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FYI, Ive tried the XP Home trick about 3 times on new installs and its never worked for me.
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Posted By: xeerex
Date Posted: 06 May 2005 at 2:04am
It's a top secret trick that Richard left out of his post. He told me via email, but if I told you then I'd have to kill you...  Seriously, I only tried it once on a "friends" XP Home pc, and it worked. I've not tried it again since I run Win2k Adv Server for my test server and XP Pro on my desktops. ------------- http://webspacegeeks.com - Need Hosting, Domains, Dedicated Servers? http://www.smartergeek.com - web design | pc support | training | podcasts | video production |
wrote:Posted By: davidshq
Date Posted: 06 May 2005 at 4:02pm
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Thanks for the ideas. Afraid you do have to upgrade XP Home to XP Pro,
it kind of stinks they charge the same for an XP Home-->Pro upgrade
as 98-->Pro. David. ------------- - http://www.davemackey.net/" rel="nofollow - Dave Mackey - Virtual Home. |
Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 06 May 2005 at 6:58pm
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I really hate XP Home. My wife has windows mediacenter edition 2004 which is based on XP Home. The previous version was based upon XP Pro.
I tried installing IIS on it from XP Pro and from the Previous mediacenter version and it gagged on both of them. ------------- 
Lead me not into temptation... I know the short cut, follow me. |
Posted By: huwnet
Date Posted: 07 May 2005 at 6:20am
You could buy a cheap copy of 98/2000 at: http://www.9software.com or ebay might be better. ?If NT 4 workstation supports IIS? Then you could get that quite easily. However most of the dev. work I am doing at the moment is on PHP/Apache as PHP has a lot more modules than ASP and if you look in script directorys like hotscripts you will find a lot more php scripts than ASP ones because PHP is free |
Posted By: xeerex
Date Posted: 07 May 2005 at 8:46am
Yeah -- i forgot that I had to pay for ASP.  ------------- http://webspacegeeks.com - Need Hosting, Domains, Dedicated Servers? http://www.smartergeek.com - web design | pc support | training | podcasts | video production |
Posted By: huwnet
Date Posted: 07 May 2005 at 9:59am
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Well you have to pay for IIS. The cost of Windows is obviously higher than Linux and Apache/PHP. The is also a difference in pricing between windows and linux |
Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 08 May 2005 at 11:50am
This is a pet peeve of mine - most of the spammers on the net use Linux and PHP. Just one more reason for me to hate that "scene". I'll stick with MS if for no other reason than at least the people in the MS community have some morals and ethics. Grr...  People who use MS know TCO and value for honest usage - too many assholes and f**kheads use free sh*t.
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Posted By: xeerex
Date Posted: 08 May 2005 at 12:03pm
Very true. In many cases, there is a huge difference. By the way, although I run Windows primarily and use IIS and ASP, I am a big fan of open source, Linux, and the whole community. My primary desktop dual boots between Mepis Linux (debian) and WinXP even though I'm a pretty big newbie to Linux. I am also not a MS-basher either. Notwithstanding their sometimes questionable business practices, I am a capitalist and have respect for any company with that much in cash reserves. Besides, Windows XP is actually pretty stable and can be relatively safe if you think of security in a proper manner. It is also still much easier to use in a desktop environment than Linux, unfortunately, although Linux is making rapid strides (see Mepis). Even http://www.linuxworld.com/read/39212.htm - Linus believes Linux is several years away (actually 10) from ready to compete with Windows on the desktop. My point is that there are costs involved in everything including Linux, Apache, and other open source or free software. While I certainly agree that Linux/Open Source/Apache is "freely available", that does not mean that it is "totally free". There are costs involved in everything even if it is the "time value of money" for learning a new OS such as Linux, the cost of time and bandwidth in developing the software, maintaining the websites, etc. Even the bandwidth to download the ISO's or free CD/DVD's if available cost somebody money, including you as the user to download. Granted you can argue that you pay a flat fee for your broadband or dialup, but that still costs you real money period. The more you download the more it gets amortized, but it still costs you money. With that said, Linux and Apache are without a doubt far safer and more secure than Windows. The argument of "Windows is more popular" does not hold water either considering that Apache is far more popular in webserver environments, but exploited far less [ http://www.theregister.co.uk/security/security_report_windows_vs_linux/#myth1 - click here ]. True, Apache has been exploited but the results were not near as devastating as Code Red or Nimba which actually slowed down the entire Internet. The question here was "Getting IIS?" and not whether IIS or Apache or Linux or Windows is better. Each has their place and if http://www.hackiis6.com - setup and secured properly can be relatively safe. After, all of them have been exploited at some level.
That is a very arguable point at the least. MS is king of spreading FUD about TCO just as the "linux zealots" are kings of spreading anti-MS crap.
Hmmm -- got some stats to back that up? There are tons of software for Windows freely available for spammers and in use. Lets take a look at a few. First, http://www.americaint.com/bulk-email-software/email-marketing-software.html - click here to go to one of the largest sites that offers software just for the purpose of -ahem- bulk emailing. Each of those apps runs on Windows and makes it very easy to get into the business, assuming you can escape the war of attrition from the anti-spammers (whom I support). One other point, that http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=www.americaint.com - entire site also runs on Windows servers and has for some time. If you actually research some of the largest spammers, they generally use "garage sale" hardware running Windows. Their only real issue and biggest expense is finding big enough pipes from ISP's who won't shut them down. Also, you can't use MS and morals/ethics in the same sentence. Don't forget, that I do respect Gates and his wealth along with that of MS. Now, let's extrapolate that baseless claim of yours out some. Since many spammers use software promotions in their spam and most of that software is for the Windows environment, does that means that your claim goes round in a viscious circle and now all Windows users are f-ckheads and a--holes? It's been quite some time (like never) since I've seen a spam promoting linux or open source software.
Hmm, lets look at these scenarios. www.altools.net offers freeware for personal use if I remember correctly. Does that mean all the users of Altools software are f-ckheads and a--holes? By extrapolation does that mean the developers are as well and possibly the kings? I doubt it. I use free software and promote, especially free and open source apps such as Filezilla, Eraser, TrueCrypt, Firefox, Thunderbird, Sunbird, Audacity, iPodder, KeePass, and tons of others. Are you calling me a f-ckhead and a--hole as well as my clients? I've been called worse, but I don't think my clients deserve that. What about the millions of users who have downloaded and switched to Firefox? Are they all f-ckheads and a--holes? Hmmm -- interesting thought.  See -- you have just proven that there are "overzealots" on both ends of the spectrum. Rather than back up your FUD with facts, you simply resort to baseless namecalling. I personally prefer discussions with people who are thoughtful in their answers with facts to backup their opinions. Even if we disagree that shows a level of class.  ------------- http://webspacegeeks.com - Need Hosting, Domains, Dedicated Servers? http://www.smartergeek.com - web design | pc support | training | podcasts | video production |
Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 08 May 2005 at 5:41pm
LOL~! You caught me!  A few too many beer and I can sometimes be a bit nasty... ------------- http://renegademinds.com/" rel="nofollow - Renegade Minds - Guitar Software http://renegademinds.com/Default.aspx?tabid=65" rel="nofollow - Slow Down Music |
Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 08 May 2005 at 6:05pm
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With regards to spam, I wasn't actually referring to email spam, but
search engine spam. When you get garbage results from search engines,
quite often those sites are running typical Linux/PHP/MySQL (LPM) and
taking advantage of htaccess for URL mapping to deceive search engines
and users. Although ASP.NET offers the same thing, it doesn't seem to
have caught on in that "scene" quite yet. When you look at "Make money at home" sites and other typical scams, again, most often they are running LPM for the site. For email spam from the desktop - yes - most is run on Windows boxes. At the server level for what I mention above, it's mostly LPM. Looking into search engine cloaking and other blackhat SEO, again, this stuff is mostly LPM, or PERL which again is just screaming cheap *NIX hosting. I'm not against free software. But I am very sick of spam - both email and search engine spam. BTW, I use FireFox myself. I don't think I've proved anything about overzealots on the MS side, just that on the MS side too much beer is likely to temporarily take one over to the dark side. As far as Bill Gates goes, I love the guy. He donates huge amounts of money to charity, far beyond what "tax breaks" would justify. There are few philanthropists in the world, but he is one. I wonder what Larry Ellison or Steve Jobs donate sometimes. ------------- http://renegademinds.com/" rel="nofollow - Renegade Minds - Guitar Software http://renegademinds.com/Default.aspx?tabid=65" rel="nofollow - Slow Down Music |
Posted By: xeerex
Date Posted: 08 May 2005 at 7:05pm
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Agreed on all points - especially the beer although with me it is tyically Crown and Mt. Dew. The only exception that I would make would be your equation of SE cloaking + bad stuff = LPM = all users of LPM bad. That is like saying email / spyware programmers = Windows = all users of Windows are bad. Of course, that can be pawned off on the beer as well. ------------- http://webspacegeeks.com - Need Hosting, Domains, Dedicated Servers? http://www.smartergeek.com - web design | pc support | training | podcasts | video production |
Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 08 May 2005 at 9:50pm
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Make no mistake, I'm not ragging on LPM... It's that sub-group of
buttwipes that generally stick to LPM for their mischief that I'm
ragging on. Labeling all LPM users as evil is just insane. I use MySQL myself and I have a *NIX box at home as well. It's that sub-group that I have a problem with. The rag about free stuff was a stab at that sub-group for not only being slime, but being cheap slime. (However horribly I put it above.) ------------- http://renegademinds.com/" rel="nofollow - Renegade Minds - Guitar Software http://renegademinds.com/Default.aspx?tabid=65" rel="nofollow - Slow Down Music |