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Topic: Other companies logos
Posted By: Gullanian
Subject: Other companies logos
Date Posted: 09 May 2005 at 9:33am
Am I allowed to list companys on my website and compare them to my prices? And can I display their logos?
Plus, I'm in the UK, but the site is hosted in the US, does this make any difference?
Thanks,
Tom
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Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 09 May 2005 at 10:02am
You can state facts, but you don't have the right to use their logos.
Logos are not statements of facts. Large corporations have very strict
rules for usage. e.g. MS, Dolby, Steinberg, Adobe, etc. Remember Mike
Rowe and his site, mikerowesoft.com?
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Posted By: Gullanian
Date Posted: 09 May 2005 at 10:19am
Ok, I will just stick to the names then, thanks
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Posted By: Mart
Date Posted: 09 May 2005 at 11:20am
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You can use their logos if you have written permission from them obviously, but its probably not worth the hassle
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Posted By: xeerex
Date Posted: 09 May 2005 at 11:28am
Actually, you can use trademarks under the Fair Use clause (referring
to US law -- not sure on other countries). You can use the logos so
long as the "mark" would not confuse consumers about the source of the
product. As a matter of fact, US law encourages this use by competitors
for comparisons especially under the Lanham Act.
Note: Some state laws may vary slightly or offer other protections for
trademarks. However, the nature of the Internet itself makes this issue
difficult. Generally, Federal law in the US should serve as the
guideline.
References:
Using Another's Trademark
http://www.publaw.com/fairusetrade.html - http://www.publaw.com/fairusetrade.html
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The Lanham Act permits a non-owner of a registered trademark to
make "fair use" or "nominative use" of a trademark under certain
circumstances without obtaining permission from the mark's owner. The
fair use and nominative use defenses are to help ensure that trademark
owners do not prohibit the use of their marks when they are used for
the purpose of description or identification. Fair use or nominative
use may be recognized in those instances where a reader of a given work
is clearly able to understand that the use of the trademark does not
suggest sponsorship or association with the trademark owner's product
or services and therefore is not being used in a manner to confuse the
reader.
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Fair use and trademark law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#Fair_use_and_trademark_law - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#Fair_use_and_trademark_law
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A recent court case, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_v._Arriba_Soft_Corporation" title="Kelly v. Arriba Soft Corporation - Kelly v. Arriba Soft
Corporation , provides and develops the relationship between
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thumbnail" title="Thumbnail - thumbnails ,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inline_linking" title="Inline linking - inline
linking and fair use. In the lower District Court case on a
motion for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summary_judgment" title="Summary judgment - summary judgment Arriba Soft was found to
have violated copyright without a fair use defense in the use of
thumbnail pictures and inline linking from Kelly's website in
Arriba's image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_engine" title="Search engine - search engine . That decision was appealed and
contested by Internet rights activists such as the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Frontier_Foundation" title="Electronic Frontier Foundation - Electronic Frontier
Foundation , who argued that it is clearly covered under fair
use. On appeal, the 9th District Court of Appeals found that the
thumbnails were fair use and remanded the case to the lower court
for trial after issuing a revised opinion on July 7, 2003. The
remaining issues were resolved with a default judgement after
Arriba Soft had experienced significant financial problems and
failed to reach a negotiated settlement.
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NOMINATIVE USE AS FAIR USE
http://www.cll.com/articles/article.cfm?articleid=32 - http://www.cll.com/articles/article.cfm?articleid=32
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The WCVB-TV case
serves as a perfect segue into the next fair use defense, nominative
fair use. Unlike most statutory fair use case, nominative fair use
involves the descriptive use of another's mark to describe or identify the plaintiff's goods or services, not the defendants.
In 1992, the Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit articulated this new defense to trademark infringement. In New Kids on the Block v. News America Publishing, Inc.,
971 F.2d 302 (9th Cir. 1992), the Ninth Circuit, in a typically
articulate opinion by Judge Kozinski, described those circumstances in
which the use of another's trademark is allowed, even when not directly
covered by the statutory fair use defense of the Lanham Act:
[W]here
the defendant uses a trademark to describe the plaintiff's product,
rather than its own, we hold that a commercial user is entitled to a
nominative fair use defense provided he meets the following three
requirements: First, the product or service in question must be one not
readily identifiable without use of the trademark; second, only so much
of the mark or marks may be used as is reasonably necessary to identify
the product or service; and third, the use must do nothing that would,
in conjunction with the mark, suggest sponsorship or endorsement by the
trademark holder.
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Posted By: Gullanian
Date Posted: 09 May 2005 at 11:30am
Right, I'm a UK company, but hosted in the US, what laws does my website fall under?
Thanks for all the info!
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Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 09 May 2005 at 11:41am
xeerex wrote:
Actually, you can use trademarks under the Fair Use clause
*snip* |
Ooops. My bad. xeerex's post refers to what you want. Mr. Beer posted
on use of logos for promotional materials that are not factual
statements about competitive products. Mr. Beer has been bad lately...
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Posted By: xeerex
Date Posted: 09 May 2005 at 11:57am
wrote:
Right, I'm a UK company, but hosted in the US, what laws does my website fall under? |
That is the magic question - and a debate that is raging savagely with
bit torrent, p2p, porn, etc. IANAL but I think it would fall under US
law. However, that would not stop a company from filing a civil suit
and draining you of resources. However, I personally don't think it
will be an issue if you follow US Fair Use guidelines. In other words,
simple logo/link usage is what the Internet is built upon anyway. Hell,
if I were "corporation a" why would I sue you if you were potenitally
driving traffic to me site? I can't recall (may get corrected) of any
lawsuits in the US of this nature?
wrote:
Remember Mike
Rowe and his site, mikerowesoft.com? |
And as we all remember, that case was over MS's attempt (somewhat
justified to its shareholders) to protect it's trademark over a
"deceptively similar" name. While I personally found that claim bogus,
this was not an issue of using the MS logo at all. Even MS realized the
error in its ways after the bad press about the deal. Mike Rowe settled
with MS for some xBox stuff, MCSE courses, etc, as best I can remember.
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39119214,00.htm - http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39119214,00.htm
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Microsoft has admitted it may have made a mistake in threatening Mike Rowe for using his Web site, mikerowesoft.com
Rowe, a student from Vancouver, registered mikerowesoft.com to front
his part-time Web site design business in August 2003. Three months
later, he received an email from Microsoft's lawyers asking him to
transfer the domain name to Microsoft. They offered to pay him a
"settlement" of $10 (£5.55), which is the cost of his original
registration fee.
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Microsoft hopes to resolve the problem in a way that both parties are
happy: "We are currently in the process of resolving this matter in a
way that will be fair to him and satisfy our obligations under
trademark law," the spokesperson said.
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Posted By: Gullanian
Date Posted: 09 May 2005 at 12:02pm
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Ok, thanks for the information, corporate logos going up now ;)
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