My Digital Hate List...
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Topic: My Digital Hate List...
Posted By: Bluefrog
Subject: My Digital Hate List...
Date Posted: 11 December 2005 at 11:10am
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I think I now also hate Casio... I tried to download the USB drivers for my camera (which is silly enough) and they don't offer them anywhere on their websites. Just none. So I had to sort through a million CDs to find my installation CD that came with the camera. I thought it was their job to help me be lazy! I think I hate them now too along with Panasonic. Maybe I need a www.PanasonicSucksAndCasioSucksToo.com web site  ~!And I still have 1 dumb blue pixel in every picture  Ah... Next time I'm getting a Canon... I'm sure that I'll end up hating them too for some silly reason... Probably not because it breaks in a few days, and probably not because they don't offer simple software connectivity with your computer... I'm sure it will be something else equally suprising... So far I have no complaints about my new Samsung video camcorder... But I haven't tried it yet beyond looking at it for 10 minutes... Am I just too picky with wanting things not to break or work easily? < pulls tongue out of cheek... /> ------------- http://renegademinds.com/" rel="nofollow - Renegade Minds - Guitar Software http://renegademinds.com/Default.aspx?tabid=65" rel="nofollow - Slow Down Music |
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Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 11 December 2005 at 2:08pm
Do the entries in your hate list exceed your post count yet?  Sounds like a receptor or something equally physical may be dead in the camera. ------------- 
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Posted By: Mart
Date Posted: 11 December 2005 at 2:20pm
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Either that or your panasonic LCD display has a dead pixel at the exact same point as your Casio's screen
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Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 11 December 2005 at 4:39pm
Well, I've got 1,537 so far, plus this one, makes 1,538, so I suppose I've got 1,536 to go. OK - I'll add the fortune 500, that gives me - hey... Is Panasonic on the Fortune 500? ------------- http://renegademinds.com/" rel="nofollow - Renegade Minds - Guitar Software http://renegademinds.com/Default.aspx?tabid=65" rel="nofollow - Slow Down Music |
dpyers wrote:Posted By: the boss
Date Posted: 12 December 2005 at 5:25am
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you got to really have a bad taste for liking samsung cell phones of cam corders.. they are simply regenration of older sony designs without all the sony specfic features..
im buying a cannon S2-IS for new year..
my digital hate list
Ipod
Ipod Nano
Plustek
Asus
HP
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Posted By: wingking
Date Posted: 12 December 2005 at 1:30pm
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Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 12 December 2005 at 8:00pm
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the boss - What's the complaint against ipods? I was thinking about giving a couple as gifts. -------------
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Posted By: ub3rl337ch3ch
Date Posted: 13 December 2005 at 5:04pm
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one word: itunes...
another word: yuppie...
creative ones have better sound, better features, and don't scratch as easy as ipods... plus they have support for more sound formats...
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Posted By: the boss
Date Posted: 14 December 2005 at 6:20am
problems with ipods
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Posted By: MadDog
Date Posted: 14 December 2005 at 6:55pm
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I have to agree, the iPods are nothing but an expensive fad for technology challenged people.
People that dont know much about MP3 players go out and buy a iPod just because its expensive and they think its the best because of the price. If you do some research on MP3 players you can get a MP3 player that has pictures/color display, sound recorder, and fm tuner all in 1 for half the price of a iPod. Ive been looking at them for the past month for my gf for xmas, but since i have no money all ive done is look and no buying
I personaly like my PSP. It has Video, Sound, Pictures, and Games and they all kick ass. The only down side is the memory cards are small and expensive (2GB=$180) ------------- http://www.iportalx.net" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Gullanian
Date Posted: 14 December 2005 at 7:03pm
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Have to disagree here! I have a 40GB iPod and really like it. The supplied headphones are fine for average users, but your not buying headphones your buying an digital music player. The controls, click wheel etc I think does the job extremely well. It's not a gimmick IMO, it's a unique way to browse and it works really well. Your right, iTunes does suck ass, but you don't have to use it. There are alternatives! My iPod has been through a lot, it isn't delicate! The nano however, well yes that is a chinamans tea set. But, it's a tradeoff between size and delicacy. It is the smallest one out there of it's storage capacity. If you want the smallest, get the nano but just be aware it is delicate. For me WMA support is not an issue as all my music is wav/mp3, but I can see this is an issue for some people. Most people have Mp3 collections anyway, so it's not a problem. |
Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 14 December 2005 at 9:27pm
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Good info. Anyone have recommendations for a GPS to use in the car. That's high on my wife's xmas list. I checked out the tom tom's but to much dinero. -------------
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Posted By: michael
Date Posted: 15 December 2005 at 9:38am
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Firend of mine has this thing installed.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000DJEK7/qid=1134656686/sr=8-11/ref=pd_bbs_11/104-7248956-5296723?n=507846&s=electronics&v=glance - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000DJEK7/qid=1134656686/sr=8-11/ref=pd_bbs_11/104-7248956-5296723 ?n=507846&s=electronics&v=glance
and he loves it. From what I have see it is very accurate. ------------- http://baumannphoto.com" rel="nofollow - Blog | http://mpgtracker.com" rel="nofollow - MPG Tracker |
Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 15 December 2005 at 5:04pm
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I bought an iPod Nano a little over a week ago and so far it seems ok. My http://renegademinds.com/Default.aspx?tabid=60&mid=415&ctl=ViewEntry&EntryID=29 - iPod Nano first impressions are here. I'll follow up once I form a better opinion. I bought it so that I can test iTunes music with it for a future version of my software. Yeah - weak excuse but it works for me ~!One of the things I like is the small size. ------------- http://renegademinds.com/" rel="nofollow - Renegade Minds - Guitar Software http://renegademinds.com/Default.aspx?tabid=65" rel="nofollow - Slow Down Music |
Posted By: Gullanian
Date Posted: 15 December 2005 at 5:23pm
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What headphones you using with them? I got some Hd590's which are pretty old now, but are great quality. My brother has some HD595's which sound even better as well! But for the average user, the buds are fine IMO. If I could afford it these would be top of my list:  Triple drivers in each one! You have to send them an ear impression so they can custom make it to fit your ears. It's the dogs bollocks of in ear sound apparently, but not cheap at just under $1000! |
Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 15 December 2005 at 8:09pm
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You put a dog's WHAT in your ear?
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Posted By: MadDog
Date Posted: 15 December 2005 at 10:47pm
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Is it just me or does having those ear phones in your ears hurt after like 20min? ------------- http://www.iportalx.net" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Gullanian
Date Posted: 16 December 2005 at 4:27am
| They look like they would hurt, but they wouldn't. They are custom fit for your ears to be as comfortable as possible believe it or not! |
Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 16 December 2005 at 5:09am
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I have to say the sound quality from an IPod really sucks. I work with allot of high quality PA sound systems, like http://voidaudio.com - Void Acoustics , for doing gigs in medium to large venues. The sound quality is so high that you can tell the difference between the recording quality of CD's!! There is nothing worse than doing a gig where the promoter requests that an IPod be used for music. The sound quality is awful and it just sounds really ruff. IPods are just trendy pieces of rubbish, if you are looking for sound quality don't get one. ------------- https://www.webwiz.net/web-wiz-forums/forum-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - Web Wiz Forums Hosting https://www.webwiz.net/web-hosting/windows-web-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - ASP.NET Web Hosting |
Posted By: Gullanian
Date Posted: 16 December 2005 at 7:17am
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Wait, are you sure your talking about output quality of iPods and not MP3 quality? It's not really fair to compare sound quality of a high quality PA system and a portable media player, they are in different categories. I'm listening to 320kbps recordings on it, (of which many people agree there is little noticeable difference between them and CD quality) and it sounds fine. For a standard user, they won't notice the difference between the same song on two different media players in regards to quality in a fair environment. IPods have a frequency response: 20Hz to 20,000Hz and can output 44.1 KHz, stereo. Put some decent recordings on an iPod and it will sound great. For anyone saying sound quality is bad on the iPod, what did you compare it to? |
Posted By: the boss
Date Posted: 16 December 2005 at 2:33pm
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Posted By: Gullanian
Date Posted: 16 December 2005 at 3:59pm
| I mean, have you plugged another portable player into your car and had a listen? Is the sound quality much different to the iPod? |
Posted By: MadDog
Date Posted: 16 December 2005 at 4:49pm
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I had a friend plug his iPod in to my car stereo and it sounded like crap compared to my PSP. I couldnt believe the sound quality difference... and yes his MP3's where high quality. ------------- http://www.iportalx.net" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 16 December 2005 at 9:13pm
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I'm playing MP3s on my iPod, which says enough... MP3 doesn't offer
that great quality. You need lower than 20Hz and higher than 20,000Hz
for really great sound. What the human ear "can hear" doesn't matter
because you can still feel it. As an example, a tiger's roar goes lower than 20Hz but even beyond "hearing range", you can still "feel" the roar, which will make your hair stand up on end. There's more to sound than just "what you hear". For 99% of what you need (BoRg obviously excepted as he does pro audio), the sound quality in an iPod or MP3 is "good enough" though. For the iPod vs. PSP thing - I wonder what the original content was and how it was ripped to whatever format is was in. WMA is darn good audio compression and easily beats MP3. If you're trying to compare a 128kbps/44.1kHz MP3 with a 128kbps/44.1kHz WMA, of course the WMA is going to kick the b'jeezus out of the MP3 for sound quality. But ripping a CD to a 96kHz WAV won't be any better than the CD, and if anything will only be worse. The quality of the encoder also matters. Xing or Blade certainly don't give you the quality you'll get from the Fraunhofer encoder. But I don't really see how it will make much of a difference which player you get for sound quality as the major limitation is the audio format. They all pretty much offer 20Hz to 20kHz frequency response ranges, and for MP3 playback, I'm quite sure that they are all going to use the Fraunhofer codec. So you're pretty much left with the hardware to determine the sound quality. But I can't see the hardware in a $300.00 MP3 player being comparable to a pair of professional studio monitors that will deliver much more accurate sound, and run you a few thousand dollars per monitor... It doesn't make sense to compare a high-end Seinnheiser mic to an MP3 recorder (like Cowon's) or McIntosh playback to a Creative Labs MP3 player or an iPod. Why not start comparing your camera phone to a Hasselblad or the new Phase One P45? In terms closer to home here, it's like comparing MS Access to MS SQL Server. Well, duh? They aren't really comparable. Try moving an MS SQL Server database or emailing one... They serve different purposes and all things considered, Access is far better than MS SQL Server for 99% of what most people need (whether or not they use Access is another matter - most people aren't that smart and will use Excel instead...). Using an iPod for professional use is just silly. What do promoters know about sound quality anyways? Those kinds of decisions need to be made by someone who knows what they are doing. But for sound quality, I'm not going to strap a G5 running Pro Tools to my back with a couple DynAudio monitors around my head just to get "good sound". It wouldn't make any difference anyways running around busy streets with traffic noise or riding a noisy subway. But if I were to just go out and buy an MP3 player irrespective of my customers, I'd probably go for a Creative one - after all, if it's good enough for Bill Gates, it's good enough for me  --- Just as an aside, check out why http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/15/gates_admired/ - Bill is the best !Does anyone have a Cowon player? I do a fair bit of work for them from time to time. Anyways... The iPod may not be the cat's meow, but it isn't that bad. And you all already know that I'm pretty quick to add stuff to my digital hate list  ~! Did I mention that http://www.panasonicsucks.org - Panasonic sucks ? ------------- http://renegademinds.com/" rel="nofollow - Renegade Minds - Guitar Software http://renegademinds.com/Default.aspx?tabid=65" rel="nofollow - Slow Down Music |
Posted By: Gullanian
Date Posted: 16 December 2005 at 10:52pm
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I really don't know about that PSP thing, might be a hardware thing or something. I plug my iPod dirrectly into my preamp and it sounds great. Playing through the computer with a Emu soundcard also sounds great, better, but not by a huge amount. I recently got PMC FB1+ speakers, and it's quite difficult to tell the difference between iPod as source compared to PC. |
Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 17 December 2005 at 9:32am
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Well did my homework and wound up getting a couple of Creativelabs Zen Touch's and a Nagellan Roadmate 760. From technical, durability, and capabilitiy points of view, the ZEN's seem to outclass the ipods. Plus the price is a lot cheaper. Got 40Mb Zen packages with an additional higher end head set plus a gizmo that let you broadcast over one of the 4 unused FM frequencies so you can play it on the car stero, or through any fm receiver, for about $50 US Cheaper than a 30Gb ipod. Video wasn't a requirement for the people I bought it for. For the GPS, I went with the Magellan Roadmate 760. Text to speech, visibility, and accuracy were big requirements for my wife. A couple of Garmin models were in the running for a while. but... Text to speech - Instead of saying "turn right in 500 feet", it says "turn right on Main Street in 500 ft". Volume goes up as speed gets higher. Visibility - 16K colors vs. 256 colors for most other vendors. Auto-adjusts contrast and brightness for different sunlight conditions. Auto switches to a night-time display so you don't blow your night vision every time you look at it. Accuracy - There's only 2 or 3 suppliers of mapping data. The supplier Magellan uses is supposedly more accurate that the one Garmin uses. -------------
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Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 17 December 2005 at 9:33pm
I'm curious - I was a bit lazy to even look or compare much beyond a 2 minute glance as iPod was the only option - but where do the ZEN players outclass the iPods? e.g. SNR, etc. ------------- http://renegademinds.com/" rel="nofollow - Renegade Minds - Guitar Software http://renegademinds.com/Default.aspx?tabid=65" rel="nofollow - Slow Down Music |
Posted By: the boss
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 5:35am
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i love the Mazda 6 audio susyem, it monitors the ambient noise and readjust the volume itself.. if u are driving with windows open and close them, the sound automatically goes down :) and for the MP3/Wma player.. still obessed with my flash disk. In that size, battery life and WMA quality, its hard to beat it  ------------- http://www.web2messenger.com/theboss">
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Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 1:06pm
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Chilly-Amphibian... The comparison reviews I read generally stated that the ZEN had better sound quality and range than the ipods but I couldn't give you the technical difference in the specs. Personally, I'm tone deaf as a stone and can't carry a tune in a bucket but my kids have my wifes family ears. Sound quality is a gosple on that side of the house. Support for multiple formats was important as well. My son has about 8K songs and they're not all mp3. I'm not a fan of converting formats as I think it's like image format conversions where something is lost on each conversion. (but see tone-deaf comment). Durability was also a factor. The ipods tend to scratch and the screen is particulary soft plastic. One of the consumer sites did drop-tests that gave the zen an edge over the ipod. -------------
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Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 5:12pm
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I checked the Apple site for some stats, but they don't publish much.
The documentation that comes with the Nano has zero information. Very
very poor. The only thing useful I found there was that it has a frequency response of 20~20,000Hz. Not very useful. You're so right about formats - Apple dropped the ball there, but I suppose that was a marketing decision for the iTunes store. I'd like to see support for stuff like FLAC. That would be nice. ------------- http://renegademinds.com/" rel="nofollow - Renegade Minds - Guitar Software http://renegademinds.com/Default.aspx?tabid=65" rel="nofollow - Slow Down Music |
Posted By: ub3rl337ch3ch
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 5:20pm
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simply put: i chose creative because i'm more inclined to trust a pioneer in digital audio than a company that - historicaly - goes straight for ultra-ease-of-use, but does so by severely limiting what can be done by people who know what they're doing...
apple : simple
too simple...
any company that thinks a single mouse button is the way to go needs a swift kick up the rear and a whole lot less of my money...
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Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 7:11pm
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Creative's been on my digital sh*tlist for years because of all the crap they include with their sound card installations. No way to do a selective install and they just override the extension handlers you selected with their programs without asking. Bought my last Creative sound card when the Audigy came out. Never again. -------------
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Posted By: ub3rl337ch3ch
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 7:21pm
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pfeh... i prefer too many features to too few... i can ignore extra stuff that i don't use... i can't ignore the fact that i can't do something i'm used to using... like a second mouse button... or wma's...
then again i'm a relatively recent newcomer to the music-obsession world, and lazy to boot, which means all my digi audio is in wma, cos i pretty much used media player cos that was all i had... and i was sure as hell not going to convert my thousands of wma's to mp3s just so i could spend more money to get a hideous hunk of consumer electronics... the wma thing was probably the proverbial straw...
on the plus side, at least with the nano they've provided a non-yuppie-ugly-colored alternative... black... yay for black!
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Posted By: the boss
Date Posted: 23 December 2005 at 11:41am
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creative sound cards are good, and u can simple install the hardware driving manual rather than goin trough the cd autoron setup menu and installing all then junk ------------- http://www.web2messenger.com/theboss">
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Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 24 December 2005 at 5:11am
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Creative are ok... But they don't support MME... There are much better cards out there if you're out for killer sound. But they are also very expensive. Creative have a good price point & are a safe bet for most people. But I really hate installing creative hardware... I always end up with a few BSODs before I can get it running ok. That doesn't make me a happy camper... ------------- http://renegademinds.com/" rel="nofollow - Renegade Minds - Guitar Software http://renegademinds.com/Default.aspx?tabid=65" rel="nofollow - Slow Down Music |
Posted By: Gullanian
Date Posted: 24 December 2005 at 7:00pm
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The Creative EMU soundcards are good
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Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 02 January 2006 at 2:23am
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Just a post x-mas update... The Creative Zen Touch was all I'd hoped it would be Truly a fine piece of engineering. The Magellan 760 GPS unit made a big hit with my wife. Extremely accurate and easy to use. I made a couple of short trips with it, and the thing is really addictive. -------------
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Posted By: the boss
Date Posted: 03 January 2006 at 8:58am
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Bill Gates does not have an iPod. ------------- http://www.web2messenger.com/theboss">
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Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 03 January 2006 at 12:52pm
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I think BlueFrog said Gates uses a Creative device, not an iPod. Don't know why he wouldn't use some Win Pocket PC with tunes - unless it's not secure enough of course
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Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 03 January 2006 at 1:30pm
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I forget where I saw that Bill uses a Creative player. Some tech show -
quite rare to get any of those here - maybe it was a news show. And I'd be worried too about someone hacking my MP3s and changing them with country music, or worse, the Korean equivalent of country - bong-jjak and troat! Man... it's really bad... ------------- http://renegademinds.com/" rel="nofollow - Renegade Minds - Guitar Software http://renegademinds.com/Default.aspx?tabid=65" rel="nofollow - Slow Down Music |
Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 03 January 2006 at 1:37pm
an't imagine Korean Country Wester - unless maybe if its about a Southern boy singing about his Northern girl and their parallel love affair 
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Posted By: ub3rl337ch3ch
Date Posted: 10 January 2006 at 9:44pm
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