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Category: Web Wiz Web App Support Forums
Forum Name: Web Wiz Forums
Forum Description: Support forum for Web Wiz Forums application.
URL: https://forums.webwiz.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=18063
Printed Date: 12 April 2026 at 9:42am
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 12.08 - https://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: Google Ads
Posted By: daniel
Subject: Google Ads
Date Posted: 21 January 2006 at 4:18am
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Hi Borg, Could you PLEASE remove the google ads, or just place them at the bottom instead of the top. This was my favourite forums package, and if the ads stay, im going to have to look somewhere else (Which I dont really want to do) Daniel ------------- http://www.myWeb.com 
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Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 21 January 2006 at 11:37am
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From looking at the stats Google ads at the top are 200% more likely to be clicked on that those at the bottom. I know people don't like the ads, but that's the whole idea, so that you are encouraged to purchase a license key if you want to remove the ads. This is the only viable Business Model that will ensure the present level of support and future development of the product (and continual funding from creditors). It's either that or drop the free version altogether and only have paid versions of the software. Like they say, there's no such thing as a free lunch, and at the end of the day, someone has to cover the costs. In this case hosting, support, and development, which is a full-time job of over 80 hours a week. ------------- https://www.webwiz.net/web-wiz-forums/forum-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - Web Wiz Forums Hosting https://www.webwiz.net/web-hosting/windows-web-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - ASP.NET Web Hosting |
Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 21 January 2006 at 11:48am
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I know using the Google ads has upset a small number of users who have said they will no-longer use the software. This is a shame, but needs must, and the ads are hear to stay. Stats show that the tread in usage of Web Wiz Forums has actually grown since their introduction in 7.95 in October last year, and the number of users who have moved away because of the ads is so low that it's affect is not noticeable. The Google ads in the software are not only making a small amount of revenue to make having the free version viable, but the sales of license keys has also risen as a result. ------------- https://www.webwiz.net/web-wiz-forums/forum-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - Web Wiz Forums Hosting https://www.webwiz.net/web-hosting/windows-web-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - ASP.NET Web Hosting |
Posted By: VBScript
Date Posted: 21 January 2006 at 11:59am
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Daniel, If you don't like the Ads just buy a link removal code. I did. The price isn't to high and you get life time upgrades. Or change forum software, but most forum software costs a lot. Its easier and cheaper to stick with Web Wiz Forums ------------- http://www.james-r.co.uk" rel="no follow - James http://www.gotrillian.com/?4498-20" rel="no follow - Trillian - M |
Posted By: MortiOli
Date Posted: 21 January 2006 at 4:56pm
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People don't understand the costs of running a website, let alone developing software - not only the cost on your wallet, but also the cost on your personal and social life.
Like Borg has mentioned, the Google Ads are the least intrusive and most viable way of creating a small amount of revenue to cover the time and money put into the development of the forums.
Unlike other forums, Borg isn't making you pay for the use of his software, and like everywhere nowadays, if you pay for a service, you get more than the free version - in this case, adverts and WWF / WWG links removed.
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Posted By: mack
Date Posted: 21 January 2006 at 6:12pm
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I also posted about this, and boRg explained to me why he added ads. It pays boRg well. He works very hard to provide you with this wonderful FREE software. If he doesn't have ads, it could possibly make a threat to the software. How would you like boRg to stop development of the forums and not even release 8.0? I bet a lot of people would be mad. Plus, Google Ads is safe. It's not like he's adding spyware, or thousands of pop ups. The ads relate to your website. If you don't like them, then buy the software. It's only like $50 or $60 roughly USD. Come on, support boRg. He's doing an excellent job.  |
Posted By: Mikey
Date Posted: 21 January 2006 at 7:08pm
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£30 for what, in my opinion, is the easiest to use, best looking, fastest and least bug-ridden forum software of them all. Is not really alot to ask. ...and thats for a lifetime plus upgrades  ..and with the beta release of V8 showing an amazing improvment. you'd have to be mad to move away. Either stick with the ads or buy a link/ad removal key for next to nothing.  ------------- Handyman man? |
Posted By: Lynford
Date Posted: 22 January 2006 at 4:34pm
Me too. The tiny cost of the removal code (and let's face it, it really is cheap) is more than worth it to use this software. It still amazes me that the Software is free (and the Ad removal so cheap). There are not many people who would do so much work for so little financial reward. |
VBScript wrote:Posted By: ctscott
Date Posted: 23 January 2006 at 1:59pm
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i purchased the boxed set a few years ago and plan on purchasing another when V8 comes out just to help support WWF. why? because to date, WWF maintains a steady quality and presence in the ASP forum software world. for the amount of effort put in to it and work done the price is excellent. thanks -boRg-. ------------- ______________________ http://www.cfbtrivia.com" rel="nofollow - College Football Trivia |
Posted By: kezza
Date Posted: 06 February 2006 at 7:23am
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I can't believe there's folks that gripe about the Google ads!!
Development and support for a package like this simply isn't something someone can do in a spare couple of hours a week. I'm on my second installation of WebWiz - the first one is ad supported as it's a personal forum; I purchased a link removal for the second one (and made a small contribution) because it's for commercial use.
Let's face it, £30 is bugger all to pay for something this comprehensive, especially with unlimited upgrades etc. Who on here hasn't paid a lot more than that for 'mainstream' software only to find they get crap support (or none at all) or are expected to pay for it .... prime example ADOBE.
As so many others have said - in this life you get NOTHING for free, but reasonably unobtrusive ads are a very small price to pay for it!
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Posted By: Scotty32
Date Posted: 06 February 2006 at 12:00pm
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i understand where people are coming from about the google ads its ruining their sites image, and in a sense, its not really "free" software as your being forced to pay to remove the ads i think a better idea would be to add features that are just "extras" and dont count to the CORE forum, eg subforums etc to the "link removal" and they only work if you pay i my self really dont want the google ads on my site so am gunna go buy the link removal when V8 comes out, but i feel like am being forced into it before anyone comes back with "but borg this, borg that" - i completely understand why borg has added the google ads i dont agree with it, but its borgs software, hes free to add it if he likes, and atleast you get the option to remove it even though i feel your being forced pay, as people said, its not alot, am sure borg *could* get alot more for this forum before people even begin to nice the price, let alone complain on a different topic:
ive never acctually USED support for anything (eg printer, computer, PC software [not WWF]) i acctually thought it was strange the only support i use is for hosting (though thats completely different  )------------- S2H.co.uk - http://www.s2h.co.uk/wwf/" rel="nofollow - WebWiz Mods and Skins For support on my mods + skins, please use http://www.s2h.co.uk/forum/" rel="nofollow - my forum . |
Posted By: wistex
Date Posted: 24 February 2006 at 3:48pm
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I'm glad that there will continue to be a free version, even if its ad supported. I remember when I first started out, I couldn't afford the license. And the free version got me started. I eventually paid for a license and link-removal. I initially didn't like the ads because before there wasn't any, even though I understood and supported why. But I'd rather have Borg get paid and continue supporting the software than stop due to lack of funding. I've had to deal with that myself in different areas. I don't mind helping people out, but some people don't seem to understand that I have bills to pay and want everything for free. So I understand and support Borg and his ads. Speaking of ads, it would be nice if after you bought the link-removal/ad-removal key, you could insert your own AdSense account number in and continue showing ads but get paid yourself. :) ------------- http://www.wistex.com" rel="nofollow - WisTex Solutions http://www.caribbeanchoice.com/forums" rel="nofollow - CaribbeanChoice Forums |
Posted By: Mart
Date Posted: 11 March 2006 at 10:20pm
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If you ask me it's a shame WWF now has ads in the free version. If you aren't getting enough monetry contributions to make it worth your while, why not ask for code contributions instead? IMHO the only thing preventing WWF from reaching its full potential is the fact that it's starting to become too much for 1 person to handle (don't get me wrong - you're doing a great job), in theory if you opened up development before it would cut the amount of time you would need to spend on WWF, increase the WWF release cycle and make for a better product. Just something to think about. |
Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 15 March 2006 at 11:43am
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I agree with you, it is getting to much for 1 person to handle and am
hoping to take on someone to work in the office helping with the admin
work and helping keep the actual site updated so I can spend more time
coding, which is what I enjoy doing. As I can not afford to pay much I was thinking of looking for a Student from Bournemouth Uni where I use to attend to see if a budding web developer was looking for some work experience during their placement year. I have tried asking for code contributions in the past and asking people for help through this site, but to be honest the response has always been extreamly poor or most of the time none at all, as who wants to work for free. I also find that allot of the code which people contribute (in mods etc) is not up to what I would call a commercial standard as most people are either inexperienced or rush the job as they are not being paid to spend the time required getting it to a professional standard. So I wouldn't be happy using most of it within my software. Even if I did find a good bunch of developers willing to write code for free, this would then mean most of my life would be spent project managing instead of witting the software. I also believe that one of the reasons why Web Wiz Forums has such tight code, and good security, is because it is written by only one person, so standards remain high and constant throughout the software. I have tried working with others before and usually I find in many teams there is always a lack of communication meaning much time is wasted and allot of mistakes are made. Although Web Wiz Guide was started as a hobby it is now a business and has to be approached in that way from a business point of view or our investors (the bank) will pull the plug on the whole thing. This doesn't mean that I have lost site of the roots of this site, and I am still very passionate about it. I have allot of plans for this site once version 8 of Web Wiz Forums is released. I want to completely redesigning it from the ground up, by effectively splitting it into two parts, one part the software which most people come for and the over part keeping with the roots of the site focused on web development with a large knowledge base of reviews, articles and code snippets. I hoping to also get others to submit work to the web development part of the site, but I have learnt that people simply will not submit stuff for nothing and to get a high standard people will want paying, so I will probably need to introduce some sort of payment scheme for every submitted article that is used. Although this will be free to everyone to view it will need to be paid for, which is where advertising and software license come into it. As they say though, nothing is free and at the end of the day someone needs to pay for; the office, time, admin work, support, developing the software, hosting, computer equipment, etc., so the funding must come from somewhere. |
Posted By: Mikey
Date Posted: 15 March 2006 at 11:57am
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I agree with the fact that this forum software is so tight because every single peice of code comes through and from one source (-boRg-). This is the reason why Webwiz just works so smoothly and well. The mod writters, skin developers and Language gurus do a great job working on top of the tight codebase and from version 8 it's clear to see that -boRg- listens to what we have to say. I personally would like to see -boRg- continue as the coder and overall oversee'er (spell) of the software as it's been him that has kept it so tight, basically what we have here is a great community supporting -boRg- with ideas, mods, skins and other bit's and bob's but without the bloated and loose nature of forums such as PHPBB. On another topic i'm sure other regular forum users such as myself etc would be willing to help manage the community, this forum etc without pay just to give you more time on the actual business of coding. ------------- Handyman man? |
Posted By: thataintchicken
Date Posted: 16 March 2006 at 1:50am
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-boRg-, if you need help moderating the website, I'd be happy to volunteer to help you out. I have a lot of experience under my belt from various places like RateMyTeachers.com, The Yellow Pages Linkshell on Final Fantasy XI, ElderScrollsForum.com, ArabRoboticsForum.com, VanadielKnights.com (former), WindurstKnights.com (former), and a few more that have slipped my mind. Just want to help ^^ ------------- "I not only use all of the brains I have, but all I can borrow." --Woodrow Wilson, 28th President of the United States |
Posted By: DeadMeat
Date Posted: 16 March 2006 at 6:14am
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Hi Borg Well I know where you are coming from, and I do sympothyse with you. It is really hard to let go of something you have cared for and grown. A bit like parenting, not wanting to let go of your child. Well all I can say is to keep going at it. One day you may have extra staff to actually help you code, you never know. As to the rest of things, well I am always here to bounce issues on for SQL etc. I don't have a huge amount of time on my hands, due to far too many commitments for too many clients, but I am alway happy to try and help out. Just yell if you need any help or you need to bounce something off of someone or someones head  .Thanks DM |
Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 16 March 2006 at 11:43am
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Many thanks everyone, I shall certainly keep it in mind, and maybe calling on your help soon
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Posted By: Mikey
Date Posted: 16 March 2006 at 11:47am
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Anytime mate ------------- Handyman man? |
Posted By: benbramz
Date Posted: 16 March 2006 at 3:21pm
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as a new member who has recently come accross this software, i understand why this needs the funding. look at how under-developed snitz is. This forum software is as good as the major php based ones, at a fraction of the cost. im going to purchase soon and i wont feel "forced" into it at all.  to -borg-(p.s just a quick question on licensing....will i be allowed to set up a test forum with the same license?) |
Posted By: alkanaft
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 10:19pm
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Well.. What a heck.. Since v6 using this forum. Now I would definitely pay, just for the great piece of work that really works the way you need. |
Posted By: Mikey
Date Posted: 20 March 2006 at 10:46am
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Yaaay after years of threatning, i have finally bought a link removel key yaaaaay
------------- Handyman man? |
Posted By: hirschy
Date Posted: 12 April 2006 at 4:46pm
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pleae correct they typo on the license page.
you have licesne instead of license
 I'll buy mine as soon as the AD integration is working :)
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Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 12 April 2006 at 6:12pm
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Version 8 will have Windows Authentication which can also be used with Active Directory, you will have to enable it by changing a variable to true in one file. Please could you point out the exact place the spelling mistake is? |
Posted By: hirschy
Date Posted: 12 April 2006 at 6:57pm
http://www.webwiz.net/purchase/order_select.asp?M=com&Submit=Next+%3E%3E - http://www.webwiz.net/purchase/order_select.asp?M=com&Submit=Next+%3E%3E
sorry, I meant to copy the link 
can't wait for the AD integration :P will help a lot at work
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Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 13 April 2006 at 10:07am
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Thank-you, I have been meaning to change the text for awhile, just didn't notice the spelling mistake. |