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Topic: working with CMS
Posted By: RCorr
Subject: working with CMS
Date Posted: 15 March 2006 at 8:49pm

Hello there, 

 

I have heard about a couple of open-source context management systems (CMS).  After reading about them, I can see the benefits of allowing one with no or minimal web skills to update web pages and how easy it is to plug in modules.  I would like to clarify a couple of things before using one and how much time is it to implement.

 

Even when you download the application from your favourite CMS site, it seems that a lot of work is needed to customize your existing web site to run off of a CMS to start seeing the results.  In addition, spending time to familiar how the CMS was constructed the pages involve.

 

As of now, I don’t see converting a web site without starting from scratch and basing a web site around a CMS.  Or am I missing something that just not clicking yet. 

 

Comments are welcome.  Thanks.

 




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Posted By: michael
Date Posted: 15 March 2006 at 9:55pm
A CMS (btw. it's usually content not context), is usually used in an intrnanet, where department can post their own sites within the intranet itself. Sharepoint being one of them, it is not hard at all to create a site for a department and the idea is not to take a CMS site and publish it on the internet. About 90% of all so called CMS applications on the web are rubbish anyway, they are not real CMS apps in the first place.

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Posted By: Tegwin
Date Posted: 15 March 2006 at 10:10pm
The DotNETNUKE Project is pretty cool.. www.dotnetnuke.org




Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 16 March 2006 at 12:49am
drupal's pretty cool, but a lot of people have trouble getting their heads around the paradigm it uses.

I think you're right about a CMS being best used for a new system. You can convert an existing system, but you're really just copying the content over and breaking all your search engine links.

For existing systems, clients are usually happy to be able to edit just a few areas on a few pages. I use a mini-cms for those sites - an rte and an asset manager for uploadings pics, etc. I let them edit include files and give them a menu of items they can edit - e.g. "Home Page - Right Column". The rte I use is css-based so it keeps them from doing stupid things with the fonts and colors - they can only pick common site css elements - not their own wild-assed fonts and colors.


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Posted By: RCorr
Date Posted: 16 March 2006 at 2:55pm

Thank you for your feedback.

 

I am just thinking ahead a little bit and since I haven't created a CMS site in the past it would be best to start building a website from scratch.  Trying to implement a CMS on an existing site may cause headaches.

 

I realize that once site has been designed transferring content over is not that difficult (just as with another web site re-design).  It just may take a while that's all.

 

I am come to a conclusion that I may need to assign a large amount of time (e.g. 2 weeks to a month) and therefore it may not be worthwhile just of yet.

 

Thanks.



Posted By: huwnet
Date Posted: 16 March 2006 at 4:32pm
Originally posted by dpyers dpyers wrote:

drupal's pretty cool, but a lot of people have trouble getting their heads around the paradigm it uses.

I think you're right about a CMS being best used for a new system. You can convert an existing system, but you're really just copying the content over and breaking all your search engine links.

For existing systems, clients are usually happy to be able to edit just a few areas on a few pages. I use a mini-cms for those sites - an rte and an asset manager for uploadings pics, etc. I let them edit include files and give them a menu of items they can edit - e.g. "Home Page - Right Column". The rte I use is css-based so it keeps them from doing stupid things with the fonts and colors - they can only pick common site css elements - not their own wild-assed fonts and colors.


Drupal and Joomla (the fork of mambo. All mambo developers forked) are both good but Joomla is a little database intensive.


Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 16 March 2006 at 9:49pm
Originally posted by dpyers dpyers wrote:

drupal's pretty cool, but a lot of people have trouble getting their heads around the paradigm it uses.

I think you're right about a CMS being best used for a new system. You can convert an existing system, but you're really just copying the content over and breaking all your search engine links.

For existing systems, clients are usually happy to be able to edit just a few areas on a few pages. I use a mini-cms for those sites - an rte and an asset manager for uploadings pics, etc. I let them edit include files and give them a menu of items they can edit - e.g. "Home Page - Right Column". The rte I use is css-based so it keeps them from doing stupid things with the fonts and colors - they can only pick common site css elements - not their own wild-assed fonts and colors.


Regarding seearch engine links, it's not really that much of a problem if you do things right. I switched ALTools.net from DNN 2.1.2 to DNN 3.2 by redoing the site from scratch. (Got screwed by a developer that disappeared - couldn't just upgrade. Angry Lesson learned - get the source code if you can... )

I was doing well in the search engines before, but now I'm doing even better. There are countless terms where the site ranks #1 or in the top 10 SERPs. I didn't even use any 302s or redirects.

"wild-assed fonts and colors" - HAHAHAHA~! I got a kick out of that, but it's so true~! LOL




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Posted By: RCorr
Date Posted: 22 March 2006 at 7:43pm

I have been investigating a CMS that will be easily integrated into an existing website and has the flexibility to incorporate into future designs, but having no joy.  It appears that all the available CMS requires some planning and basing your site around one of their custom design.  Currently this is not what I am after.  I do not plan to spend a lot of time on the implementing.

 

Does anyone know of a CMS that will meet my needs?

 

Tx



Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 23 March 2006 at 1:28am
Check your PM RCorr.


I've heard a lot of good things about WebSite Baker - http://www.websitebaker.org/ - http://www.websitebaker.org for new sites - people rave about how easy it is for their clients to use. PHP app.


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Posted By: huwnet
Date Posted: 23 March 2006 at 5:09pm
Originally posted by dpyers dpyers wrote:

Check your PM RCorr.


I've heard a lot of good things about WebSite Baker - http://www.websitebaker.org/ - http://www.websitebaker.org for new sites - people rave about how easy it is for their clients to use. PHP app.


I tried this out about a month ago. Great when you have clients that need to update sites themselvs but don't understand Joomla etc.



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