Active Users Issue v. 8 RC1
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Topic: Active Users Issue v. 8 RC1
Posted By: xjmajor
Subject: Active Users Issue v. 8 RC1
Date Posted: 21 March 2006 at 11:29pm
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Hi, I'm testing RC1, and I want to report an issue (I'm sorry if it is known). I log in as admin, I am on active users list. Then I go to Admin section, system ask me the password, I log in the control panel. I log out the control panel, come back to the forum, I am as a guest in the active users list. No way to appear again until I log out and log in again. Thank You. Damiano |
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Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 22 March 2006 at 11:38am
| This is very odd behaviour, I will have to try and replicate this issue and find a solution. |
Posted By: xjmajor
Date Posted: 22 March 2006 at 11:52am
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I didn't specify that this behaviour occurs after DB conversion. Didn't try with a fresh installation. Thanks |
Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 22 March 2006 at 11:55am
| I have seen the same issue with my test installation (using MS SQL 2005). |
Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 22 March 2006 at 12:01pm
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Not a big issue but I will look into it. Seems to show me on this forum as anonymous after logging out the admin section. very odd. |
Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 22 March 2006 at 12:15pm
| I think I found the issue, it shouldn't show you are a guest, but when you log into the admin section you are set to be shown as an anonymous user in the active users table. |
Posted By: xjmajor
Date Posted: 22 March 2006 at 2:21pm
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I confirm, not guest but anonymous user. Sorry for my mistake. And now a suggestion: in forums like phpBB, admins can view anonymous users shown in italic. Eg.: logging as user: there are 3 users: 1 members, 1 hidden, 1 guest online: user#1 logging as admin: there are 3 users: 1 members, 1 hidden, 1 guest online: user#1, user#2 This is useful for admin to know who is the hidden users. Another feature of phpBB: in the online users list admin are shown in colour (eg. red) and mods too (eg. in green). This is not useful like the other, but I like it. Hard to implement? Thanks again |
Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 22 March 2006 at 2:44pm
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Anonymous users are shown as their username in the forum stats page in the admin area. Having the admin and moderators in a different colour could take quite a bit of programming, with either having an extra field for this in the active users array, or extra database hits to test to see if a user is a admin/moderator or not. |
Posted By: rowdyvdveen
Date Posted: 23 March 2006 at 7:02pm
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There is something more going on with the active users list. It looks like this at my forum: Gebruikersnaam Laatst actief Actief OS/Browser Lokatie Rowdy vandaag om 19:57 26 minuten Windows XP IE 6 Actieve gebruikers Gast 1 vandaag om 19:48 0 minuten Windows XP IE 6 Forum Index Gast 2 vandaag om 19:48 96 minuten Search Robot Google/AdSense Bericht bekijken TFD Encounter Gast 3 vandaag om 19:44 0 minuten Search Robot Yahoo Bekijken Gebruikersprofiel Gebruikersprofiel It's Dutch, but it says I (Rowdy) am looking at the Active Users screen, which is correct. Guest 1 is also using Windows XP IE 6 and is looking at the forum index. Could be. Guest 2 is a Google Search robot and is looking at a topic I just read. Highly unlikely. Guest 3 is a Yahoo Search robot and is looking at somebody's profile. Could be, but unlikely. Then, I went to the topic 'McTrek' at my forum and read the last page. I immediatly went back to active users and then it showed: Rowdy vandaag om 20:00 29 minuten Windows XP IE 6 Actieve gebruikers Gast 1 vandaag om 20:00 108 minuten Search Robot Google/AdSense Bericht bekijken McTrek Gast 2 vandaag om 19:48 0 minuten Windows XP IE 6 Forum Index Gast 3 vandaag om 19:44 0 minuten Search Robot Yahoo Bekijken Gebruikersprofiel Gebruikersprofiel So, now Guest 1 is looking at the topic McTrek. Seems like Google is stalking me around the forum ;-) Guest 2 is still at the index and Guest 3 still looking at some user profile. Please note that 'vandaag' is Dutch for 'Today'. I hope this helps. You can also take a look yourself at my forum at http://www.starbase74.nl/forum80 EDITion: The same appears to be happening for all other visitors to the forum. Everyone shows up as their real name, and 2 guests accounts, 1 tailing them around and 1 looking at some user profile. |
Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 12:23pm
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If you look the spider is actual:- Search Robot Google/AdSense Please note the Adsense part, this is Googles Adsense spider and what it does is every page there is a Google Ad on it will index if it hasn't already so that the ads it syndicates to the page fit the page topic. If someone opens a page that has Google Ads and the Google Adsense spider has not indexed, it will index the page 2 or 3 seconds after the page is accessed. Guests can not look at users profile, when they access the profile page they get a login form, which is why in the active users list they are shown as viewing a member profile, but without any member name appended to the end of it. Hope this clarifies it for you. |
Posted By: rowdyvdveen
Date Posted: 27 March 2006 at 10:16am
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Thanks for explaining!
I hope we can buy the license really soon.. |
Posted By: jckruger
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 7:31am
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Does that mean it is reading the content of the page?. I'm not sure I want that as there will be some sensitive information being posted. Will the licensed option remove that? Or is it that I am using Version 8.0 RC1.1?. I have just downloaded Version 8.1 and will change it to that tonight Please let me know as I wish to set this up for an animal rescue group for members only and not to be indexed for public viewing Thanks in advance
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Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 9:01am
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It can only read the content of the page for those forums that have Guest access to that forum. In version 8.01 the Google Ads have been removed and replaced with Web Wiz Guides own ad system, so you shouldn't have Google Adsense coming to your site unless you place your own Google Ads on the page. |
Posted By: jckruger
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 11:45pm
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Thanks -boRg-
I just wanted to make sure before going into production.
V8.01 installed successfully.
Great software
Cheers
Justin
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Posted By: jckruger
Date Posted: 22 May 2006 at 3:17am
I now have V8.01 and have just noticed in the statistics page on the control page that the googleBot is here again.
I have checked that there is no guest permissions on any of the topics.
What might be allowing this to happen?
I have even added the IP range to the block IP option for
66.249.*
Is this the correct format for adding block ranges or do I have to quote around it i.e. '66.249.*'
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-boRg- wrote:Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 22 May 2006 at 10:12am
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This is the Google search bot, NOT the Google Adsense bot, which is completely different, the Google Search Robot indexs your site for inclusion in the Google search engine. The Google Bot can only index whatever a Guest can view. Blocking an IP address will just mean that anyone with that IP address has Guest only privileges on the board. If you don't want Google to index your site then you would be better off adding a robots.txt file to your web site. Google has a list of intructions of what to add to the robots.txt file so that Google won't index your site, or folders on your site. ------------- https://www.webwiz.net/web-wiz-forums/forum-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - Web Wiz Forums Hosting https://www.webwiz.net/web-hosting/windows-web-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - ASP.NET Web Hosting |
Posted By: jckruger
Date Posted: 22 May 2006 at 11:31pm
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OK so I will add the robots.txt file to the root of my server.
What you were saying is that it was trying to view my calendar as it is viewable to guests but that is as far as it got due to everything else having registered only permissions?
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Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 23 May 2006 at 8:43am
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That is correct, Google will only index the page seeing the same as a Guest can, as the Google spider doesn't have the ability to login into forums before indexing them.
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Posted By: unitrakya
Date Posted: 06 June 2006 at 11:15am
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i want google or yahoo bots to index my site but i dont want guests access and view my forum how can i do this?
when i close guest access permissions, search robots doesnt index forum? is this true? because when i looked active user page, i saw google bot (it write there) "login failure". i suppose it can not index site..
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Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 06 June 2006 at 11:31am
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If you don't allow Guest Access then Google can not index your forum. There are ways around this that some sites employ, but it is quite complex to setup and requires getting the IP addresses of all the Google Bots, then using IIS to grant these IP addresses access. You still then have problems with Google cashing the page so that people can use the Google Cache to view content they shouldn't as well as people faking IP addresses of Google Bots to gain Access. I'm sure there is more on this if you do a search on Google, but it not something that is easy to setup and will take allot of research into the subject to get it right. ------------- https://www.webwiz.net/web-wiz-forums/forum-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - Web Wiz Forums Hosting https://www.webwiz.net/web-hosting/windows-web-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - ASP.NET Web Hosting |
Posted By: unitrakya
Date Posted: 06 June 2006 at 11:35am
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thanks boRg..
there is nothing to do
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