New Web Wiz Ads - Your opinion
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Topic: New Web Wiz Ads - Your opinion
Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Subject: New Web Wiz Ads - Your opinion
Date Posted: 11 April 2006 at 3:53pm
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New Ad System Currently Being Tested on this Forum Due to some issues with using Google Ads in Web Wiz Forums we will be moving over to using our own ad system in Web Wiz Forums from version 8 which will be servered from our own servers. The new ad system will be in both the Web Wiz Forums software and on each page of Web Wiz Guide. We would like to get some feedback whether people would interested in advertising in our ad system and the amount people would be willing to pay? Some stats that maybe useful Web Wiz Forums currently serves over 250,000 ad impressions per day, 12 million per month, with over 6000 click throughs for last month across 15,000 sites. Web Wiz Guide currently serves over 2.3 million pages per month. Ad System Draft Setup The system will use Text Ads and a 468x60 image depending on which the advertiser wants to use, as shown on this page (you may need to hit refresh a bit to get an image ad to load as their weightings are presently lower than the text ads). On these ads there will also be a weighting system from 1 to 4, with a weighting of 4 being the most likely to show. |
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Posted By: wistex
Date Posted: 11 April 2006 at 4:33pm
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I said I wouldn't, but mostly because I don't have any websites currently that really fit your target audience. Although I am thinking about making some webmaster related websites in the future.
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Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 11 April 2006 at 4:46pm
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I'm already running the new ad system in this forum to test the new system, so you can get an idea of how it looks and works, which is very simular to the Google one. You can have either text ads or a 468x60 image, as shown on this page (you may need to hot refresh a bit to get an image ad to load). On these ads there will also be a weighting system from 1 to 4, with a weighting of 4 being the most likely to show. |
Posted By: Scotty32
Date Posted: 11 April 2006 at 5:25pm
 that made me laugh - i never noticed it wasnt google ads  till i read this thread ------------- S2H.co.uk - http://www.s2h.co.uk/wwf/" rel="nofollow - WebWiz Mods and Skins For support on my mods + skins, please use http://www.s2h.co.uk/forum/" rel="nofollow - my forum . |
Ads by Web Wiz GuidePosted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 11 April 2006 at 5:32pm
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I've also made it more in keeping with Web Wiz Forums by having the same style border etc. The colours can also be updated through Web Wiz Forums CSS skin file, which will make it simpler to integrate the ads into different skins. Another plan which I am considering, once the ads are established is that if an ad gets clicked in a forum running on another site, the web master of that site will also receive some revenue from it. This will make Web Wiz Forums even more appealing, as not only will it be free, but you will get paid for running it!!! |
Posted By: wistex
Date Posted: 11 April 2006 at 5:58pm
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I didn't notice the switch until you mentioned it! I did notice how the colors nicely matched the forum, but I thought they were Google Ads! ------------- http://www.wistex.com" rel="nofollow - WisTex Solutions http://www.caribbeanchoice.com/forums" rel="nofollow - CaribbeanChoice Forums |
Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 11 April 2006 at 6:24pm
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No the Google Ads sucked when trying to get the colours right. These new ads I borrowed some ideas from the Yahoo ads more than the Google ones and then came up with a simpler way to implement them along with better CSS styling. |
Posted By: Mikey
Date Posted: 11 April 2006 at 8:12pm
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I personally wouldn't pay for ads yet as none of the sites i maintain would have any benefit from advertising. This may not be true for the entire future and i'm sure their are users out there who would benefit from having their ads show up in Webwiz software. I like the idea and see it as a far more professional route of generating income, instead of Google earning all your revenue  If i was to research the types of sites that are using your software and if i had an intrest in the content of these sites and a website of my own to match then i wouldn't think twice about paying to have my ads on webwiz. ------------- Handyman man? |
Posted By: wistex
Date Posted: 11 April 2006 at 9:10pm
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You probably should implement some kind of targetting to make it more appealing to non-webmaster sites. I totally forgot that the ads will appear not non-webmaster sites. For some reason I was thinking that my ad would only appear on Web Wiz Guide... even though I did read what you said. ------------- http://www.wistex.com" rel="nofollow - WisTex Solutions http://www.caribbeanchoice.com/forums" rel="nofollow - CaribbeanChoice Forums |
Posted By: dfrancis
Date Posted: 11 April 2006 at 10:01pm
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I voted and it made me think... I would pay a little but if they resulted in real sales, I would pay more. Thus the thought... an introductory offer might be good.
Now for the question... would there be a discount for license holders? Hint hint wink wink nod nod don't you know.
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Posted By: Scotty32
Date Posted: 11 April 2006 at 11:03pm
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thinking bout it, wouldnt most of the ads be from outside the webwiz community? are you going to regulate the ads? eg only related ads, either to webwiz or the 'hosting' site? or anything and everything (within reason eg no hate, illegal sites)? ------------- S2H.co.uk - http://www.s2h.co.uk/wwf/" rel="nofollow - WebWiz Mods and Skins For support on my mods + skins, please use http://www.s2h.co.uk/forum/" rel="nofollow - my forum . |
Posted By: dfrancis
Date Posted: 11 April 2006 at 11:20pm
| I had another thought.... are you planning on offering this cool ad system? |
Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 12 April 2006 at 12:36am
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Would depend upon placement of the add and what my adds were in competition with.
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Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 12 April 2006 at 12:40am
A wink is as good as a nod to a blind bat. -------------
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Posted By: Praveen
Date Posted: 12 April 2006 at 6:23am
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Hey how was that possible!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 12 April 2006 at 11:53am
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Thanks for the feedback so far, it looks like I maybe better off making the system so that you can choose where you want your ads displayed. I was going to make the system so you could decide if you want to advertise in Web Wiz Forums software, or on Web Wiz Guide, or both, but thoght this method maybe a bit confusing. But it looks like most people may prefer this method. |
Posted By: Scotty32
Date Posted: 12 April 2006 at 2:23pm
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had a quick idea - not sure if its that good or not but maybe you could have "categorys" so say i submit an advert for "web development" and someone posts for "gardening" (couldnt think of anything) person C, could then select "Gardening" ads, and would only show Person Bs ads, as it would then relate to the persons website better than having loads of irelevent ads ------------- S2H.co.uk - http://www.s2h.co.uk/wwf/" rel="nofollow - WebWiz Mods and Skins For support on my mods + skins, please use http://www.s2h.co.uk/forum/" rel="nofollow - my forum . |
Posted By: bad5star
Date Posted: 12 April 2006 at 2:30pm
What happened with Google Adsense? Was something with WWF a violation of the Terms & Conditions or something else?
Interesting.. so am I to understand that if I had a site mysite.com that I would not be able to have a google-like, a webwizforum-like adsense of my own? ie. ads from mysite.com etc...? |
Posted By: dj air
Date Posted: 12 April 2006 at 10:25pm
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no as borg has mentioned it was not worth having google ads and the customisation is not good. so hes setting up/thinknig of setting up a web ring for adverts though WebWiz Prorams and website. |
Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 13 April 2006 at 10:58am
No Google have now asked that I monitor every site that uses Web Wiz Forums with Google Adsense and with 1000's of downloads every week this would not be possible. I also want to avoid future issues with Google incase they change their mind again in the future. This is something that I planned on doing before Google Adsense was introduced, the Google Adsense that Google offered and setup was just an easy stepping stone to see if it would work before I got round to developing web wiz guides own ad system. This recent issue has just given more motivation to get the system up and running sooner. Perfect trimming really, just in time for the full version 8 to be released. |
Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 13 April 2006 at 11:01am
No, not at all, I'm just saying that all pages on Web Wiz Guide will have ads on them. By using the Web Wiz Guide's own ad system in Web Wiz Forums is better for the end user as it means you can now also have your won Google Ads on your forum without breaking Googles Adsense terms. |
Posted By: wistex
Date Posted: 13 April 2006 at 8:03pm
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Its more of a matter of control. If Google Ads are embedded in WWF's freeware version code, Borg cannot change it once its downloaded from this website. By building his own ad system, he has control of what displays and what doesn't, and has more control over changing the ad system. Also, if you are larger, like Web Wiz Guide, you have enough traffic to command decent prices. Why split it with someone else (i.e. Google) if you can run your own and make more money? Also, there is the fact that Borg cannot control what webmasters who download the adware version of WWF do. Google could ban WWF because some person who downloaded the forum decided to click on all the ads too many times. No, its better if Borg creates a system he can control better, and he has the ability to make such a system. :) ------------- http://www.wistex.com" rel="nofollow - WisTex Solutions http://www.caribbeanchoice.com/forums" rel="nofollow - CaribbeanChoice Forums |
Posted By: pilot99
Date Posted: 17 April 2006 at 4:43pm
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so how much did u get off of running google adsense? ------------- http://www.globaltornado.com"> 
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Posted By: ahampton
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 12:19am
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$30~$50 a month. Maybe more if there is a way to view how effective the ads are. ------------- http://www.techplace.us"> 
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Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 5:20pm
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Advertising is a hard question... I didn't vote. The entire thing depends on ROI. Branding is cool, but still... few can afford branding campaigns. The other issue is targeting. That's hard. Untargetted ads aren't worth much. Rates in CPM or CPC are most common, so it's hard to vote. For targetted CPC, I'd pay quite a bit. $0.50 CPC isn't unreasonable for some of the ads I'd want to run. For others, $0.05 would be the max. For CPM, $1~$5 is normal. I've seen $500~$1,250 CPM for some email list inclusions for CEOs and the like. The ad market is fairly mature, so it's a hard nut to crack. I'd have to know CPM or CPC to know what I'd want to pay. ------------- http://renegademinds.com/" rel="nofollow - Renegade Minds - Guitar Software http://renegademinds.com/Default.aspx?tabid=65" rel="nofollow - Slow Down Music |
Posted By: the boss
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 8:33am
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to borg: go for the ad system.. you have enough traffic to take command to user: comeone ppl... take it..its just a small banner...and with your influence here...you can always tip and suggest borg to improve the ad system.. about sharing revenue, its a good idea but watch out for spammer.. it would be a good idea if you create a whole new division called "webwiz zads" which will not only provide ads for this forum software but to non forum users for their websites too..since you are already putting effort in the ad system..why not do it all.. you can let users select ads categories for display on their website of allow them to can certain categories. This way their wouldnt be humorus events of showing adult ads on software website.. like it happens with google adsense since its keyword based.. somehow, i see you as future rival of google adsense ------------- http://www.web2messenger.com/theboss"> 
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Posted By: Gullanian
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 8:09pm
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Posted By: wistex
Date Posted: 20 April 2006 at 3:36am
I agree. I think that you have enough traffic to be able to offer an ad network. ------------- http://www.wistex.com" rel="nofollow - WisTex Solutions http://www.caribbeanchoice.com/forums" rel="nofollow - CaribbeanChoice Forums |