Microsoft Abandoning Vista?
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Topic: Microsoft Abandoning Vista?
Posted By: iSec
Subject: Microsoft Abandoning Vista?
Date Posted: 29 September 2007 at 4:54am
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I have been waiting for such articles... and finally.. it's official!
This is one of many: http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9785337-7.html?tag=nefd.only - http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9785337-7.html?tag=nefd.only
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Posted By: MadDog
Date Posted: 30 September 2007 at 2:16am
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I read that the other day. Im finding myself formatting some extra drives to get ready to go back to WinXP. Ive been using Vista since its been out. While i like the new design (something different than XP after so many years), ive found Vista to perform horrorably with games. Microsoft has been saying how secure and how great it will be with games, but every game i play gets way worse FPS (frames per second) with Vista than XP. And its way less secure than WinXP from what i have seen. I may go back to Vista if they get all the bugs worked out and can make it perform better than WinXP (i doubt it). The only thing i might use Vista for is DX10 games once i purchase a new video card that supports it. ------------- http://www.iportalx.net" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 1:40pm
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Apparently some OEM's, like Dell, are being allowed to include XP "downgrade" disks with their sales of new Vista PC's. Last week, MS announced they were extending the OEM's licenses for selling new PC's with XP for another 5 months - until Jume 30, 2008. ------------- 
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Posted By: michael
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 2:13pm
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I actually developed two different views of Visa. For home purposes it works not as good, like MadDog says FPS are lower than XP and Media stuff is not as well working as it should be. On the productivity side, Office, Search etc it is superior IMHO to XP, I really like developing on it and everything works just fine except the occasional crash. ------------- http://baumannphoto.com" rel="nofollow - Blog | http://mpgtracker.com" rel="nofollow - MPG Tracker |
Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 2:18pm
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I actually quite like Vista and have no problems using it. But then I only use Vista for Workstation machines, and am looking forward to Windows 2008 server coming out as it should work very well with Vista. To be honest with you there is very little money in consumer software, as consumers don't like to pay for software, and if I were Microsoft I would be concentrating on the Business market, where the money is, and Windows server 2008 which does look very good, especially IIS 7. ------------- https://www.webwiz.net/web-wiz-forums/forum-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - Web Wiz Forums Hosting https://www.webwiz.net/web-hosting/windows-web-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - ASP.NET Web Hosting |
Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 2:56pm
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Reading the link to the link to the NewsBlog posted above, the whole article is someone just twittering on a load of rubbish with no foundation in it at all. As if Microsoft are going to give up on Vista, when they have already shipped over 60 million units. Most home users would not upgrade to Vista simple because they don't know how, and Microsoft missed the lucrative Christmas market by releasing Vista after Christmas. Business users almost never upgrade immediately and wait till after SP1 is released. Vista SP1 is due for release next February, but unlike XP SP2 which was really more than a Service Pack, it will just be a Service Pack with no new features, so just wait for the blogs like the one above complaining about that! However, I would imagine you would start seeing a bigger uptake of Vista over Christmas for home users and after SP1 for Business users. As for myself, I have no issues with using Vista, and actually prefer it over XP when used in combination with Windows Small Business Server as it is less likely to drop network connections to the server, and the Vista Sync Center to snyc with SBS is much better than the crap in XP. ------------- https://www.webwiz.net/web-wiz-forums/forum-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - Web Wiz Forums Hosting https://www.webwiz.net/web-hosting/windows-web-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - ASP.NET Web Hosting |
Posted By: Mikey
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 9:29pm
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I have to agree with -boRg-, I beta tested Vista and got me free copy and now if i have to go back to using XP for work or traveling around, i hate it. XP done a hell of a lot of hard work over the years but for me it's time it moved over and retired :p Altho i do understand this isn't the same for everyone. ------------- Handyman man? |
Posted By: iSec
Date Posted: 03 October 2007 at 6:36am
Ok I'm giving Vista one more try ... just because of the stories I heard about people sticking to Windows 98, thinking that XP was bad. I do not want to be one of those people... I also got a free a copy of Vista Ultimate from one of my co workers; so let's see how it goes this time.. I'll do my best, I promise  ------------- "When it gets dark enough, you can see the stars" -Charles A. Beard |
Posted By: michael
Date Posted: 03 October 2007 at 3:01pm
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I will not go back to XP, at work I have to for now until they upgrade us but at home I use the pc 95% for non-games so it does not matter for me if some games do not work as well. I have come to find out that most of my frustration with MS lately is with their Hardware. I have a webcam from them (Lifecam) which I bought because they had 64bit drivers, it is a pile of junk I might say. I always had a cheapo Logitech and it worked much better. MS should stick to SW I think, their HW just aint cutting it.  ------------- http://baumannphoto.com" rel="nofollow - Blog | http://mpgtracker.com" rel="nofollow - MPG Tracker |
Posted By: javi712
Date Posted: 03 October 2007 at 4:52pm
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Has Vista improved in the last couple of months?
I upgraded to Vista a while back and was forced back to XP because of a lack of driver support, system crashed a lot and just to many bugs all around. I did however like the interface of Vista so I have been wanting to upgrade once again. |
Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 03 October 2007 at 5:29pm
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I've never had driver issues with Vista, and I have it running on 4 machines. I also can not recall the last time it crashed, and find it just a stable as XP if not more so. If there are bugs in Vista I've never seen one, and I have been running it since January on my workstation which I use most days for 12 hours. ------------- https://www.webwiz.net/web-wiz-forums/forum-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - Web Wiz Forums Hosting https://www.webwiz.net/web-hosting/windows-web-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - ASP.NET Web Hosting |
Posted By: javi712
Date Posted: 03 October 2007 at 5:56pm
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I wonder why I received so many problems.
Did anyone else have any connection issues? One of the issues I had was that when I locked my computer and logged back in, the internet connection would no longer work. I would have to reboot the computer in order to connect to the internet again. |
Posted By: Mikey
Date Posted: 03 October 2007 at 7:44pm
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Mine has not crashed since January, no driver problems, runs quicker, networking is easier, new sound stack is far superior. I guess you just an unlucky person Javi :p ------------- Handyman man? |
Posted By: iSec
Date Posted: 04 October 2007 at 3:23am
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Actually it is surpisingly faster this time. When i bought my laptop it had vista preinstalled on it, but was slow... now that i took it off and installed my own copy of Vista, it runs much better... this indicates that whatever garbage the manufacturer installed was the cuase behind it being slow.
For now however, I still face one minor issue with it... I cannot get the sound stereo mix to work... like when you go to a chatroom and try to play music so others could hear it.. i can't get that mixer to work.. it is so seamless with XP... but can't seem to find a solution for it on Vista... it's really fraustrating! ------------- "When it gets dark enough, you can see the stars" -Charles A. Beard |
Posted By: Shimpi06
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 3:32am
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Well, if you think about it, the only reason for any home consumer to buy Vista is either because they have no choice because its already installed on the PC they bought, or all the new games require DX10 and Vista.
Other than that, if someone is only looking for the basic functionality of word processing, surfing, e-mailing and chatting, it seems more reasonable to either stick with W2K Pro, XP home or pro, or simply switch to a Linux distribution for FREE.
I could've made the switch to Linux a long time ago, but only reason I didn't was because I was learned ASP and IIS in school. I simply did not want to learn PHP and Apache. But now, I may convert and tell Bill to kiss my very beautiful back side.
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Posted By: Mikey
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 11:04am
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Working with many average home users i can tell you now that most of them don't have a clue how to properly work Windows and don't have a clue that Linux exists. I can't see any swapping to a Linux distro it's hard enough to get them to swap IE for Firefox  P.S. I've got a rather stunning backside too ------------- Handyman man? |
Posted By: the boss
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 1:11pm
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i hate to pay for crap...so im going chinese route on this one probably!!! lets hope its another blunder and embarassment like winME ------------- http://www.web2messenger.com/theboss"> 
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Posted By: javi712
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 7:23pm
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I got a promotion when I bought my dell a while back. It was for a free version of Vista when it came out. So I went ahead and took advantage of the offer and ordered my free upgrade to Vista software. I installed it a while back and it gave me so many problems that I just reformatted and re-installed XP pro. Now that some of you guys are speaking so wonderful about Vista, I wanted to try it again. Unfortunately for me, Windows only allows me one install. And Bill Gates wonders why so many people steal his software.
So frustrated because I was only allowed "1" install, I went the Linux route. I installed Ubuntu and everything worked wonderful, except I can't get Ubuntu to recognize my wireless card in my laptop. Searched around and tried every single fix and nothing worked. If I could get internet to work on Linux, I would leave microsoft behind for good. But it won't work so I'm stuck with XP 
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Posted By: javi712
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 7:25pm
| With that in mind... can any Linux experts on here, PM me and help me solve this internet issue :) |
Posted By: Shimpi06
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 1:17am
| ...what version of Ubuntu do you have? I would have thought that problem was fixed by now. |
Posted By: javi712
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 3:19am
| I'm using version 7.04. Are you or did you have the same problem? |
Posted By: Shimpi06
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 3:46am
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Not really. Most everything on my network is wired. Try these two links. There should be helpful information to solve your problem. Two articles on how to get wireless to work with ubuntu.
I hope this helps.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
http://www.linux.com/feature/56946 - http://www.linux.com/feature/56946
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Posted By: javi712
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 3:52am
| Thanks for the links. I gave the first one a try already before and didn't work for me, but I'm going to give the second one a try. |
Posted By: Scotty32
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 9:37am
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I havent tried wifi with ubuntu (only recently got a wireless router) but im sure ive heard of something that lets you use windows drivers for wifi cards in ubuntu. also could always try upgrading to Gusty  ------------- S2H.co.uk - http://www.s2h.co.uk/wwf/" rel="nofollow - WebWiz Mods and Skins For support on my mods + skins, please use http://www.s2h.co.uk/forum/" rel="nofollow - my forum . |
Posted By: javi712
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 1:00pm
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Wow... didn't even notice Gutsy Gibbon was out already!!!
Maybe they fixed their wireless issues already :) |
Posted By: Scotty32
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 1:38pm
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yeah, was out on the 18th Oct if you have problems wit wifi, you should be postin on the http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ - ubuntu forums , always seem helpful to me. ------------- S2H.co.uk - http://www.s2h.co.uk/wwf/" rel="nofollow - WebWiz Mods and Skins For support on my mods + skins, please use http://www.s2h.co.uk/forum/" rel="nofollow - my forum . |
Posted By: javi712
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 2:37pm
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yeah, you are right. i kinda hijacked this thread
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Posted By: shakir
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 4:30pm
its have best security and its beutifull .............
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Posted By: stonecutter
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 5:27am
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Back to Vista.... I set up an office network recently. The workhorse in the back came with Vista Business edition, and the one at the front desk has Vista Home premium. The Business edition is fine. No problems at all. However the home edition was noticeably different, and not in a good way. It was hell trying to maintain a wireless connection. They get 5 different signals and vista Home kept trying to change connections. Then the wireless speed was in a constant state of flux. It would go from fair to good to excellent, and back again in no special order. But maintaining the connection to the in-house gateway was the most frustrating. I eventually formatted the drive and put XP Pro on it and there have been no problems since. At least from my perspective, the difference between Vista Business and Vista Home is a lot greater than the difference was between XP Home and XP Pro. From my first experience I have to tell anyone wanting to use Vista to go with the Business edition. |
Posted By: Scotty32
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 10:03am
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I dont particularly like Windows, and ive been running Linux for the past 6/7 months exclusively (ie no duel boot). But I dont think your review is that fair on Vista, your only problems seemed to be with Wifi, which could easily of been down to either hardware/drivers or the position of your PC and Router. Also could you not of used wired? I think my brothers laptop is Vista Home Premium, and he has no problem at all with his wireless internet. ------------- S2H.co.uk - http://www.s2h.co.uk/wwf/" rel="nofollow - WebWiz Mods and Skins For support on my mods + skins, please use http://www.s2h.co.uk/forum/" rel="nofollow - my forum . |
Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 10:16am
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I think all wireless is crap. I gave up on wireless about a year ago when I started using HomePlug, I now have 5 of the 80Mbit version and it's great, most of the time getting around 50Mbit throughout my home, were even wireless with dual 9dBi aerials wouldn't work. Even if you get a good wireless signal in the same room with it keeps dropping, with the homeplug the only time I have ever seen it drop is when we had a power cut. ------------- https://www.webwiz.net/web-wiz-forums/forum-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - Web Wiz Forums Hosting https://www.webwiz.net/web-hosting/windows-web-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - ASP.NET Web Hosting |
Posted By: stonecutter
Date Posted: 23 November 2007 at 2:37pm
The network installation I did was for a salon & spa which underwent a massive renovation. My client didn't have the foresight to install Cat-5 cable during the renovation and she doesn't like wires cluttering up the ambiance, so wireless was the best option. Her main PC in the back office is hardwired to the router. I think my review was fair, as it pertained to my particular problems with the Vista Home machine. When troubleshooting problems I check the tech sites and the general consensus is that MS released Vista with too many bugs. I have some IT friends who I consulted and they also recommended staying away from Vista until the next service pack comes out. Having worked with Microsoft since the beginning, I know that products like XP and Vista do not exhibit the same bugs or problems on all PC's. A lot of it has to do with your chip sets and hardware configurations. At the Salon one Vista machine is trouble-free, while the other was not. The one with no problems is a new Dell Optiplex, and the one that had networking problems is a Dell Inspiron. Depending on your machine you may or may not experience problems. The thing one needs to consider is that until SP1 comes out, upgrading to Vista might be a crap shoot. Some will upgrade without incident, and others may be faced with numerous driver and performance issues. There's no way to tell until you try it. I would switch to a flavor of Linux except that too many of my clients are dependent on FrontPage support, and I have other products which only run in a Microsoft environment. So I'm married to MS for the time being. However I am planning to add a Linux box for testing and plan to eventually use it for running Perl and other CGI scripts. |
Scotty32 wrote:Posted By: Scotty32
Date Posted: 23 November 2007 at 5:15pm
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Am sorry if am not understanding this correctly, but are you saying the Vista Biz was hooked up by cable, and Vista Home was wireless? yet you say Biz is better than home? If this is the case it sounds like a poor comparison. Im not trying to defend Vista, as Ive never used it, and I dislike windows. I just think it deserves a fair test before you bash it. As for switching to Linux, if you need to use a WYSIWYG you could look at Nvu which runs on both Windows and Linux which may help in your transition. I haven't used it properly, just a 5min play, plus Im more of a Notepad kinda web dev. If that isnt of help you could also look at running Frontpage under wine when you've set up your test machine. ------------- S2H.co.uk - http://www.s2h.co.uk/wwf/" rel="nofollow - WebWiz Mods and Skins For support on my mods + skins, please use http://www.s2h.co.uk/forum/" rel="nofollow - my forum . |
Posted By: stonecutter
Date Posted: 23 November 2007 at 6:16pm
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I was being brief in my comparison of Vista Home to Vista Business. It has more to do than the wireless issue. The differences (in my opinion) between the 2 versions is much more pronounced than the differences between XP Home and XP Professional. And of course, I base this only on the versions of Vista installed by Dell. All I can say is that if you put 2 machines side by side and compare Vista B to Vista H, you'll see what I'm talking about. It only took me a couple of hours to determine that I like Vista Business better than the Home edition. If someone has a different opinion I can respect that. Different strokes for different folks. I know that there's an Apache plugin for FrontPage but friends who run Unix boxes tell me it's a nightmare to get to work properly. About 60% of my clients use FrontPage, so it's not me , but them who have to shed their dependence on it. As a Host, I have to support whatever my clients require or they'll go somewhere else. If I have trouble getting FrontPage extensions to work on the Linux box, I'll give you a holler. With FP support, I'd be a lot closer to being able to get away from MS. Thanks. |
Posted By: stonecutter
Date Posted: 23 November 2007 at 6:29pm
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P.S.... Does Linux/Unix have support for MS SQL & Cold Fusion? My servers run those products also. Our Cold Fusion license cost us $1600, so if it won't work on Linux that's another reason I'm stuck using Windows. Since I have the Windows versions of both products, I'm not sure if they'd send me Linux compatible versions for no charge, or if there even are Linux compatible versions. These are things that need to be addressed if I plan on doing anything more than just adding a Linux box to a MS-based network. |
Posted By: iSec
Date Posted: 24 November 2007 at 1:41am
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Vista is indeed an unstable operating system. And yes, I agree about the business edition being different than the home premium I did notice a big difference between the Home Premium edition and the Ultimate edition as well...
I recently purchased an Inspirion Dell laptop with 2 GB of RAM, Core 2 Duo processor, and a 160 GB 7200 RPM harddrive... but I hated Vista on it. I formatted the HDD and installed XP Pro SP2, but had a problem with Serial ATA/ AHCI support on XP Pro..so now I'm working on slipstreaming the files into XP's CD so I could use it. ------------- "When it gets dark enough, you can see the stars" -Charles A. Beard |
Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 24 November 2007 at 10:26am
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Don't know why you think Vista is unstable. I have been running Vista since last January and have it on 3 workstations, and 1 laptop, and these systems are often on 12 hours a day and they are all completely stable with no issues and no crashes. The only time iany of the machines ever crashed was when an old graphics card developed a fault and had to be replaced, but this was a hardware issue rather than an OS issue. I actually prefer running Vista on the workstations now as it works much better with the Small Business Server (SBS). Under XP syncing with SBS was a nightmare and you would be discounted at least every other day and have to wait 10 minutes to reconnect and resync the workstation. Under Vista never have this problem, and the whole SBS network and Vista workstations run much more smoothly. ------------- https://www.webwiz.net/web-wiz-forums/forum-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - Web Wiz Forums Hosting https://www.webwiz.net/web-hosting/windows-web-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - ASP.NET Web Hosting |
Posted By: Scotty32
Date Posted: 24 November 2007 at 12:44pm
Sorry, i thought you was refering to desktop, not server. No MSSQL will not work on Linux, as the MS = Microsoft On linux you would use Apache, MySQL and PHP (commonly refered to as a LAMP setup) ASP, MSSQL and Windows are all Microsoft products and Microsoft do not like competitors so will not support, or allow their products to work on other operating systems. Im not sure about Coldfusion as ive never used it before you would have to research that. And as for Frontpage Extentions, microsoft dropped support for that on linux servers so that wouldnt work. (again i thought you was referring to frontpage software for your self on the desktop). ------------- S2H.co.uk - http://www.s2h.co.uk/wwf/" rel="nofollow - WebWiz Mods and Skins For support on my mods + skins, please use http://www.s2h.co.uk/forum/" rel="nofollow - my forum . |
Posted By: iSec
Date Posted: 26 November 2007 at 12:14am
The reason I think it's unstable is because of the poor drivers' support that Vista has. It's not just the basic hardware on the machine but many other add-ons that people use.
I'm also unhappy with the sound mixer in Vista... just look it up on google and see how many folks are having problems with it.
With XP it was very simple to get things done the way you want. ------------- "When it gets dark enough, you can see the stars" -Charles A. Beard |
Posted By: iSec
Date Posted: 27 November 2007 at 7:14pm
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Guess what guys?
http://news.google.com/nwshp?tab=wn&ncl=1123951829&hl=en&topic=t - http://news.google.com/nwshp?tab=wn&ncl=1123951829&hl=en&topic=t
Borg I hope you'll like that one! ------------- "When it gets dark enough, you can see the stars" -Charles A. Beard |
Posted By: Mikey
Date Posted: 27 November 2007 at 11:25pm
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Ha ha i gave up reading those articles ages ago because they always swing bias on whichever the user prefers. For every article / blog saying XP's better, theres a 'Vistas better' one out there each coming with their own set of test results and crap on top. If you use Xp and prefer it then use XP and if it's vise versa then so be it, i use Vista now and i really do prefer it and i also recommend it but i'm not gonna shun anyone that still uses XP but i do think it's a bit late in the day to still be buying machines with XP preloaded, in my mind that has been Microsofts biggest mistake. ------------- Handyman man? |