Whois Record - Last updated - Why is this?
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Topic: Whois Record - Last updated - Why is this?
Posted By: Playdo
Subject: Whois Record - Last updated - Why is this?
Date Posted: 24 February 2011 at 8:14pm
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I'm looking at getting a certain .co.uk URL when it becomes available. I've been looking at the Whois record. The strange thing is, it says that it was recently updated but the renewal date hasn't changed at all. Eg. http://www.webwiz.net/domain-tools/whois-lookup.htm?domain=url.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.webwiz.net/domain-tools/whois-lookup.htm?domain=url.co.uk Imagine that the renewal date said 01-March-2011. This makes it a month after the last update of 08-Feb-2011. Why wouldn't the Renewal date have changed if it says it was recently updated? Could it have not been updated? |
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Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 25 February 2011 at 4:07pm
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There are also other reasons for the date of update and the date or renewal are different. I can't remember the exact date but around 30 days after the renewal Nominet who mange the UK Namespace, will suspend the domain and so the domain would be updated on that date. The domain is then dropped around 90 days after the renewal date. If it were not to be renewed then it would more likely be picked up by a drop cacher. The top drop catching companies for UK domains tend to have servers as near to Nominets servers as possible to reduce lag times and keep pinging Nominets servers to grab names the millisecond they are dropped, they then sale them on at premium prices. If you want the domain I would suggest contacting Nominet to findout when the domain will be dropped, then hope a drop catcher does not get in there first, in which case you maybe having to pay a high price to get the domain. ------------- https://www.webwiz.net/web-wiz-forums/forum-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - Web Wiz Forums Hosting https://www.webwiz.net/web-hosting/windows-web-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - ASP.NET Web Hosting |
Posted By: Playdo
Date Posted: 25 February 2011 at 4:29pm
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Hi Bruce.
The URL above was just an example. The actual URL I'm interested in does not have a website on it, so I believe that it may just be sat on. The Last updated date was 15th Feb 2011, the Renewal date says 15th March 2011. So the domain has not reached its renewal date yet.
Who are the top drop catching companies for UK domains? Could I contact them, and pay them to register it for me as soon as it becomes available?
If domain names get bought by drop catchers, who do they sell them to? I thought domains were only 'rented'.
Can Nominet tell me when a domain will be dropped far in advance?
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Posted By: 123Simples
Date Posted: 25 February 2011 at 5:47pm
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Buying (or attempting to buy) a dropped domain could have its own problems. For example the domain may just be sat on (its hard to know since you have not given us the domain name - you could tell us in confidence via PM rather than blurt it out on open forum), or the domain may be scheduled for dropping if it has been used unwisely already. I think you may http://www.articlesbase.com/domain-names-articles/dangers-of-dropped-or-expired-domain-names-390385.html" rel="nofollow - find this link of interest to read (I did) and use the http://www.archive.org/web/web.php" rel="nofollow - Wayback Machine to see what the domain has been used for in the past too. Just some advice ------------- http://www.123simples.com/" rel="nofollow - Visit 123 Simples Web Design |
Posted By: 123Simples
Date Posted: 25 February 2011 at 5:50pm
Just to add if you get an error on searching the domain name on Wayback, it probably suggests that no website ever appeared on that domain (I think) 
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Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 25 February 2011 at 7:28pm
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It's not always a bad thing buying pre used domains as Google see sites that have been around longer as being more reputable and will rank those sites higher as long as they have not been used for dodgy purposes of course. Nominet can tell you when a domain will be dropped. It's worth giving them a call as they tend to be very helpful. I've not looked in to who is the top drop catching companies, but what they do is registered dropped domains and then sale them on for higher money. Our own webwiz.net domain was bought from a company that registered UK domain names to then sale on for about £200 plus £10 Nominet Transfer fee to transfer the legal registrant. You do only own the domain during it's registration period so when you say you only rent a domain I suppose you can look at it this way. When you get a domain name from another party it's known as buying a domain, but they only pass the registration across to yourself. You could also ask SEDO if they could look at obtaining the domain for you as they look in to contact the owners and negotiating with them to buy the domain name for you. It's probably the fastest way to do this and you would be less likely to loose it to a drop catcher or someone getting in and registering the domain before you when it is dropped. ------------- https://www.webwiz.net/web-wiz-forums/forum-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - Web Wiz Forums Hosting https://www.webwiz.net/web-hosting/windows-web-hosting.htm" rel="nofollow - ASP.NET Web Hosting |
Posted By: Playdo
Date Posted: 27 February 2011 at 7:54pm
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@MrTWS: I checked out the Wayback Machine and an error is showing, so I guess that there has never been a website there, or it was never recorded (if I undertand the archiving process correctly). Thank you for the offer. No offense, but I'd rather not discuss the URL with anyone. @Bruce: I contacted the owner over a year ago and they didn't want to sell the registration on. I don't intend to contact them again as I think it would be a better move to wait and see if they've forgotten about it, or they decide to let it go. If they do, then I just have to ensure that I snap it up as soon as it becomes available. Thank you for your advice. If you have any more tips to help ensure this, then they'd be great to hear.
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Posted By: 123Simples
Date Posted: 28 February 2011 at 2:26pm
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Hope it works out Playdo, and no offence taken either. Keep an eye on what the domain is doing, but if the owner did not want to sell the registration on a year ago, I'd agree not to "remind" them un-necessarily about this. It may be that they have the domain (sadly) setup to auto renew anyway, so this may all be redundant. It is a shame when someone sits on a domain name (even for years they do this) so it can be frustrating. In the meantime, the URL you wanted, why not try thinking laterally and see if there could be another domain name that comes to mind. Often, when I've done this myself, it is surprising to think that a particular domain name sounds great, but sometimes, with thought, another better idea comes up too ------------- http://www.123simples.com/" rel="nofollow - Visit 123 Simples Web Design |
Posted By: Playdo
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 3:36pm
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I hadn't considered auto-renewal. I hope that this is not the case.
The registrant is a separate individual. The billing address is a web design company that the registrant approached.
Who can renew the domain? The registrant or the web design company (billing addess)?
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Posted By: 123Simples
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 7:00pm
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Normally it would be the registrant (the individual) The billing address would be as you say the web design company that helped him/her register the domain. It depends how the domain was setup originally. As an example I register on behalf of our clients the domain name, so in my case therefore, although the client is the registered owner, the domain renewals come through to me. I then let the client know that the domain is due for renewal, and if he or she does not renew it, I then either can lapse the domain, or in some cases, renew and use the domain for other purposes, perhaps advertising, or just keeping the domain name because I feel like it. I'm not sure if this comment helps or not, but as I did say previously, also consider other possibilities on domain names. Not all may be lost, and although a domain name may be important, a better written and feature website will have the winning formula ------------- http://www.123simples.com/" rel="nofollow - Visit 123 Simples Web Design |
Posted By: Playdo
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 7:12pm
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Yes, I had gone through the process of alternative domain names but I am holding out for this one for the moment.
I presume that the same has happened here; the company has registered the domain name on behalf of the client. Though, if this is the case then I'd have thought that there'd have been a website on it, as the client would only approach the company if they wanted a website built.
In your experience as a company, you wouldn't set the domain up for auto-renew, you'd contact the client and then manually renew instead? Typically how long in advance would you contact them before the renewal date?
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Posted By: 123Simples
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 8:12pm
I would not typically set up the domain on auto-renew. I would contact the client typically 30 days in advance, and expect payment before the renewal date of the domain. Depending on the client (do I know them, had good dealings with them, etc) would then make me decide do I renew it on my own initiative, and take a chance, or leave it to lapse. I guess therefore it might be a waiting game on your domain name. As I did say earlier, if you wanted to PM the web address (no I would not steal your idea), I'd be happy to give you a better informed answer via PM as well. It would be imprudent of me to do anything like that, and believe it or not, I take client confidentiality very seriously. Have a good evening ------------- http://www.123simples.com/" rel="nofollow - Visit 123 Simples Web Design |
Playdo wrote:Posted By: Playdo
Date Posted: 02 March 2011 at 1:58pm
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@MrTWS: PM'd you.
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Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 03 March 2011 at 7:13am
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The industry standard is to have domains auto renew, you have to opt out of auto renewing a domain name. I would suspect that the domain would be set to auto renew. Both the registrar and Nominet would send reminders. UK domain names legally belong to the person named as the registrant. Often times if people do not wish their own personal address to be listed in the whois they will ask their web design company to use their office address instead for the whois. If the domain name is a good name then the chance of grabbing it when it is dropped is slim, even if you try to back order it. Hence why most companies that do take back orders say that it is non refundable if they do not obtain the domain for you and I would avoid such companies. As well as being a Nominet Registrar we are also a Nominet Member, so if you wish for us to talk directly to Nominet to see if we can register the domain for you then Contact Sales at http://www.webwiz.net/contact/" rel="nofollow - http://www.webwiz.net/contact/ and we will only be to happy to investigate and try and obtain the domain for you. You may also want to have a look at our domain registration pages as you may find that the domain you want is available under a different extension. You can search over 20 extensions at once by clicking Domain Names at the top of this page. The direct link is http://www.webwiz.net/domain-names/" rel="nofollow - http://www.webwiz.net/domain-names/
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Posted By: Playdo
Date Posted: 03 March 2011 at 8:25am
| Thanks for the info |