ASP.NET
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Forum Name: ASP.NET Discussion
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Topic: ASP.NET
Posted By: Tegwin
Subject: ASP.NET
Date Posted: 08 November 2003 at 9:18am
I have been looking at starting to learn ASP.NET and I am a bit confused about something.  Is ASP.NET a standalone product in its own right, like VB.Net, C# etc. Or is it incorporated into VB.NET, the reason I ask, is that I have recently got a cd from Microsoft of a trail version of Visual Studio.NET and on there I see VB, C#, C++ and J# but not ASP.NET. If I just install VB.NET will I be able to get Asp.net as well ? ------------- If you dont want my peaches, dont shake my tree |
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Posted By: Bunce
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 1:56am
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ASP.NET is not a programming language as such - similar to ASP. You need to use a language such as VB.Net, C# etc, same as you need VBScipt / JScript for ASP. The CD is just listing the languages that VS.Net supports. Cheers, ------------- There have been many, many posts made throughout the world... This was one of them. |
Posted By: Tegwin
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 2:55am
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Ok thanks, So really if I just install VB.net I will be able to USE ASP.NET
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Posted By: Mart
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 3:23am
| you can use asp.net if you have IIS and the .net framework installed, VB.net isnt needed. |
Posted By: Diep-Vriezer
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 4:58am
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But it is one heck of a great tool to develop ASP.NET web applications! Web Applications build in VB.NET are faster then 'just' normal pages, since it compiles them, and 'tunes' you web application for the right performance. Of course you can do this yourself, but often you forget something, wich VB.NET doesn't. ------------- Gone.. |
Posted By: Tegwin
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 5:33am
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Excellent thanks all. I will go and buy a copy of VB.Net then and use that as the tool of choice. Thanks to all for you help ------------- If you dont want my peaches, dont shake my tree |
Posted By: Mart
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 5:51am
I don't have vs.net yet, im downloading it now though 400mb to go
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Posted By: Diep-Vriezer
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 7:20am
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You don't have to buy it you know ... ------------- Gone.. |
Posted By: Diep-Vriezer
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 7:21am
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BTW, the VS.NET Enterprise Architect is 7 (!) cd's... It took me 4 days with ADSL, but the server was slow.. ------------- Gone.. |
Mart wrote:Posted By: Mart
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 7:44am
| Mines been packed to 500mb, and the server isnt too slow |
Posted By: Diep-Vriezer
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 7:52am
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Posted By: Mart
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 7:54am
| snap! |
Posted By: Diep-Vriezer
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 8:59am
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Posted By: Tegwin
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 9:04am
Can you share your secret with me.. please. you can pm me if you want ------------- If you dont want my peaches, dont shake my tree |
Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 9:37am
Remember that statement when you start producing saleable software. ------------- 
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Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 9:46am
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Check out http://www.asp.net - www.asp.net They have several "Starter Kits" I'm a fan of their Community Starter Kit. Most of the serious work being done to extend the Starter Kits, is being done in C#. C#.net costs about the same as VB.net. Borland has C#Builder for free - very similar to Visual Studion, and can integrate with VS VB.net. Although I like VB.net, it appears as though the serious developer community leans towards C#.net for developing aps.net applications. That's certainly true in the corporate world here in the US. -------------
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Posted By: Diep-Vriezer
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 10:43am
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I don't like the idea that serious programmers use C#. It shouldn't matter, according to MS, coz the .NET framework uses a common language or something. I don't know WHY it's happening, but I'm noticing it to, so maybe we can start a 'C#' topic? Or a C# forum (in wwf)? ------------- Gone.. |
Posted By: Mart
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 11:25am
| I dont wanna learn C#! I like VB.net |
Posted By: Diep-Vriezer
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 11:46am
Me 2! It's easy to understand, upgrade and I guess more flexible then C#. But it MIGHT be usefull to have some knowledge of C#..  ------------- Gone.. |
Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 12:07pm
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Probably 80+ % of large corporation web apps are java, plus they have a large base of C and C++ windows people around who are also used to working in an object-oriented environment. C# more closely resembles those languages. Later versions of VB had some OO type capabilities, but it was limited. It also was excluded from parts of the windows api, mostly due to data-typing/marshaling issues that could be handled by the C community. Going from serial event-based programming with some OO capability into a full OO environment is a mindset leap for how you think about programming and design. IMHO, the people who first appreciated the extent to which you could take .net came from the java/C community rather than the VB community and they opted to go with their background and picked up on C#. Personally, I like VB.net better because it tends to be a little more self-documenting. Only thing I haven't been able to do in VB.net that I could do in C#.net was to use pointers - but that may be due more to my lack of knowledge that deficiencies of the language. What I'd really like to see is the ability to use more than one language in a project and the results compiled into one dll. -------------
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Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 12:12pm
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BTW... To refer back to the original post...
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Posted By: Diep-Vriezer
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 1:00pm
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RE: 1. ASP is NOT a language, it's a ~thing~. VBS is a language USED in ASP.. 2. All windows application made in VB.NET require the .NET framework installed on the client's pc. 3. I guess so m8 ------------- Gone.. |
Posted By: Tegwin
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 1:06pm
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By the way, this may not really fit here anymore, but as you are
talking about C#, if you are in the UK , they have a magazine on the
shelves called PCPLUS and this months cover cd, they give you a free
copy of Borland C#Builder Personal Edition for free... May be worth
looking at ------------- If you dont want my peaches, dont shake my tree |
Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 3:16pm
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I have the Boreland C#Builder. Integrates well with VB.net IDE. The installation is a little intrusive - changes the default for a whole bunch of file extensions to itself. IIRC, it was a 30-35 Mb download. The Boreland usenet group for it is "non-technical". If you use Borelands Delphi, it can also do .net. -------------
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Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 3:23pm
Very true. I tend to think of ASP as a separate language because I don't use VBS for anyting else. Was never big on it for client-side of WSH. In my world, we refer to either jsp's or asp for server side scripting. Sometimes can't see the forest for the trees. ~thing~ describes it pretty well -------------
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but it's always been fun to code.Posted By: Bunce
Date Posted: 09 November 2003 at 8:00pm
You can use more than one language in a project. Edit: Ahh I see, compilation. ------------- There have been many, many posts made throughout the world... This was one of them. |
Posted By: Diep-Vriezer
Date Posted: 10 November 2003 at 8:47am
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Indeed, I thought that was the whole idea of VS.NET right ------------- Gone.. |