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Topic: copyright questions
Posted By: Semikolon
Subject: copyright questions
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 11:36am
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yo.. if i want copyright on something i have made, is it just to say that i have copyright on it or do i have to so something else? if the last: who do i have to talk with? |
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Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 11:43am
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Anything you do is automatically copyrighted the moment you do it. However, in order to prove it in a court, you may want to send it to yourself by registered mail and not open the mail when you receive it. Patents and registered trademarks are different. ------------- http://renegademinds.com/" rel="nofollow - Renegade Minds - Guitar Software http://renegademinds.com/Default.aspx?tabid=65" rel="nofollow - Slow Down Music |
Posted By: Semikolon
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 11:44am
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why prove it with a mail? isnt it good enough to write it on the site and have a copy myself? |
Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 11:47am
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Nope. That won't hold up in a court. You need to be able to prove the date. Registered mail provides you with a legal verification of the date. It is also a cheaper way than going to a lawyer's office and paying them a whack-load of money to perform some unnecessary legal hocus-pocus. ------------- http://renegademinds.com/" rel="nofollow - Renegade Minds - Guitar Software http://renegademinds.com/Default.aspx?tabid=65" rel="nofollow - Slow Down Music |
Posted By: Semikolon
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 11:56am
| ok.. i didnt really understand this sh*t, but who cares.. i dont gonna go to court if someone copies my sh*t either.. |
Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 12:03pm
Completely agreed... There are other much better and less ethical ways to deal with people who steal your content  ------------- http://renegademinds.com/" rel="nofollow - Renegade Minds - Guitar Software http://renegademinds.com/Default.aspx?tabid=65" rel="nofollow - Slow Down Music |
Posted By: Gullanian
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 12:04pm
| There is a cheap alternate way to copyright something, which is ok in court, if you send the material by registered post to yourself, and dont open it, then if ownership comes up you can open it in court and win |
Posted By: Mart
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 12:12pm
| Thats what bluefrog said... |
Posted By: Semikolon
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 12:14pm
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whats the differences between registered mail and regular mail? so if i make a guestbook then i should send the zip with all the files in it to myselt? with registered email |
Posted By: KCWebMonkey
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 12:15pm
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if it's on file on your computer, why can't you just save a copy to disk, and they can read the "last modified" date? |
Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 12:16pm
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That would work. Just burn it to CD. I'd include a print version as well though just in case. Registered mail need to be signed for. It is also a bit more expensive.
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Posted By: Semikolon
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 12:24pm
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okay? now im confused..
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AnthraX wrote:Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 12:32pm
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Ooops. KC's and my posts were to close together timewise. The last modified date means nothing because it is easily changed. e.g. Change the date on your computer either in Windows or during the bootup setup and put it back a few years. Open the file, make a small change then delete the change. Save the file. Check the "Last modified" date.
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Posted By: Semikolon
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 12:53pm
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okay..
thanks for the help guys! |
Posted By: michael
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 8:46pm
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just print the code, go to your bank and have it notarized for free. No big deal. ------------- http://baumannphoto.com" rel="nofollow - Blog | http://mpgtracker.com" rel="nofollow - MPG Tracker |
Posted By: huwnet
Date Posted: 02 January 2004 at 12:09pm
This wouldn't work as there are programs that will modify file dates |
Posted By: Tegwin
Date Posted: 02 January 2004 at 12:12pm
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Also if you change the system date on your computer and reopen or
recompile one of the files, the new date would appear as Last
modified. ------------- If you dont want my peaches, dont shake my tree |
Posted By: Semikolon
Date Posted: 02 January 2004 at 2:21pm
its possible to edit the last edited date on the files then burn them to cd.. or set the computer date to 2000 and burn.. so i dont think that would be better than just store the files on hd.. |
Posted By: Mart
Date Posted: 02 January 2004 at 3:09pm
Wow is there an echo in here people have been saying the same things 3 times...
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Posted By: michael
Date Posted: 03 January 2004 at 1:17pm
Wow is there an echo in here people have been saying the same things 3 times times times time tim...------------- http://baumannphoto.com" rel="nofollow - Blog | http://mpgtracker.com" rel="nofollow - MPG Tracker |
Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 03 January 2004 at 1:33pm
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Wow is there an echo in here people have been saying the same things 3 times times times time times times times time tim...
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Posted By: ljamal
Date Posted: 03 January 2004 at 3:52pm
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In the US, the poor man's copyright (i.e. mail it to yourself) does not hold up in court (even registered mail). If something is important enough to you to copyright beyond just adding the copyright info to it, then you should file the correct copyright forms and pay the fee. You can file yourself with no cost above the registration fee. ------------- L. Jamal Walton http://www.ljamal.com/" rel="nofollow - L. Jamal Inc : Web/ Print Design and ASP Programming |
Posted By: Gullanian
Date Posted: 03 January 2004 at 4:02pm
| In the UK im pretty sure it holds up. |
Posted By: ljamal
Date Posted: 03 January 2004 at 5:19pm
Has there been any case law to back it up? It seems that it would defeat the point of charging for copyright registration if it could be easily circumvented. Mail even registered mail is easily opened and resealed by simple steaming, it's not a fool proof method of establishing a date of creation. ------------- L. Jamal Walton http://www.ljamal.com/" rel="nofollow - L. Jamal Inc : Web/ Print Design and ASP Programming |
Posted By: Semikolon
Date Posted: 03 January 2004 at 5:22pm
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okay.. if its that hard, then we print the whole code(oh f**k thousand on thousands of line on A4 sheets!!! |
), date stamp it and give it to the bank!Posted By: Tegwin
Date Posted: 03 January 2004 at 8:05pm
AFAIK in the UK, you can go to your solicitor (lawyer) and get the code stamped by him and the "original" kept in thier office. That way if it ever goes to court, the solicitor will have proof of when it was stamped. I am not sure what they charge but I have heard it is not a lot, in the overall scheme of things. ------------- If you dont want my peaches, dont shake my tree |
Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 03 January 2004 at 11:00pm
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"10 Myths About Copyright" is usefull, and not strictly confined to the US. http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html - http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html By the same author ia a "Brief Intro to Copyright" - http://www.templetons.com/brad/copyright.html - http://www.templetons.com/brad/copyright.html The Internet Archives has proved useful in some court cases - http://www.archive.org/ - http://www.archive.org/ And there's always the proverbial horses mouth - http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html - http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html ------------- 
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Posted By: Bluefrog
Date Posted: 04 January 2004 at 5:56am
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To be honest, I really find this whole thing quite stupid - I don't mean our discussion here - I mean the fact that you actually have to go out and do things like this to protect yourself against some lame-@$$ who is too lazy to do the work itself (no human dignity assigned by ommission of "him/her"). I didn't know the registered mail thing doesn't hold up anymore in the US. I hope Bruce archives the DB/forum or passes it on if he does another major upgrade like he did with 6~7, because there is a lot of really good information above, and in other posts as well of course. [ hint hint
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]Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 04 January 2004 at 10:57am
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WWG Forums from September 8, 2001 http://web.archive.org/web/20010911125140/www.webwiz.net/forum/default.asp - http://web.archive.org/web/20010911125140/www.Web Wiz.co m/forum/default.asp -------------
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Posted By: Semikolon
Date Posted: 04 January 2004 at 11:19am
| okay.. but i meant a copy of the forums that i could download.. i want to see the code in the first version |