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Topic: Can't login cookie problem
Posted By: bbroadking
Subject: Can't login cookie problem
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 12:39pm

Hello,

Just implemented my new forum looks good.
The problem i have is that sometimes i canīt login because of cookie problems. after deleting all my cookies and restarting the pc i can login again.

is there Anybody with the same problem, or is there a solution available ?

Thanks in advance




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Posted By: india
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 2:11pm


Posted By: Semikolon
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 3:42pm

this can be loads of things.. a crappy harddrive, crappy os, crappy browser, crappy server or other things..

 

 

Originally posted by india india wrote:

what is it?



Posted By: bbroadking
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 4:17pm
Originally posted by AnthraX AnthraX wrote:

crappy harddrive, crappy os, crappy browser, crappy server

Lets make 1 thing clear a have no crappy server, browser or harddrive
So lets cut the crap, can anyone tel me whats realy the problem........



Posted By: Semikolon
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 4:26pm

ok..

but when such things happens then it might be the problem.. but if thats not the problem in your case then if you run the forum inside a frame or u use url cloaking then that might be the problem..



Posted By: bbroadking
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 4:37pm
Yes i run the forum inside a frame, but can that be the problem ?!?!
And what do you mean by "url cloacking" this english i do not understand.


Posted By: Semikolon
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 4:45pm

yes.. the frame can be the problem.. your browser might get confused..

maybe its not called url cloaking.. but thats when you hide the real url and use a fake.. like .tk domains and .cjb.net



Posted By: bbroadking
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 4:56pm

Well iīve build my complete website in ASP and using cookies within frames and never had a problem with confused browsers. if you like you can take alook at http://ridersplace.com - http://ridersplace.com donīt be scared itīs a Harley Davidson related website on my own server.

What i want to know has anybody have the same problem

 



Posted By: Semikolon
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 5:02pm

its not the frames in this case.. it might look like it actually is your browser.. try in a different browser and see if that helps...



Posted By: bbroadking
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 5:11pm

i use more then one computer and you are right only the computer with win XP is giving me this problem. Another pc with win 2000 is logging on always with no problems. but it gives me no explanation of what is going wrong with cookies.

The only cooky prolem i have is with this web wiz forum, no cookie problem with al other programs within win XP 

 



Posted By: Semikolon
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 5:14pm

but is it possible to log in after you have restarted?

i got a cookie problem once.. ie couldnt write cookies.. and after a while, i realized that windows had f**ked up the filesystem.. all partitions were 512mb.. even though one of them was 50gb..

still have that problem with the two biggest partitions because i need to format them and then i have to move all the data on them.. and they are almost full..



Posted By: bbroadking
Date Posted: 01 January 2004 at 5:19pm
See my first post


Posted By: Semikolon
Date Posted: 02 January 2004 at 12:59pm

what?

if you dont believe me when i say it may be your hardware, browser or os then i think you should go and learn more about computers.. its true! just face it.. with another browser on the computer where you have problems before you come and say its not the browser!



Posted By: bbroadking
Date Posted: 02 January 2004 at 5:14pm

What a tempre, yes i believe you, but dontīt say me to learn more about computers. Mostly it is the OS making the problems.

I have figured out that the problem is only apearing in win XP
I have win 98, 2000, XP and linux red hat 9.0, only the pc with xp is troubling me with this cookie problem.
And other users all with win xp has the same problem on my forum.

So what i want to know are there others with the same problem or am i the only one. if this is the case i suspect the combination of frames and win xp. or am i wrong ?

And when it is the OS then this forum software is not been tested well because win XP is a widly spread os and is running on most pcīs
The compination frames and win XP is also not exotic and very commonly used. 

 

 



Posted By: nguyencno5
Date Posted: 03 January 2004 at 9:46am

adjust the browser to accept 3rd party cookies.. because you are using forum in a frame ..

default setting of XP only accept cookies from the main domain (frame).

hope that helps..



Posted By: nguyencno5
Date Posted: 03 January 2004 at 9:48am
Internet option .. where it say Privacy .. set it to Low!


Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 03 January 2004 at 9:50am
The forum has been built and tested on Win XP since September 2002, so it wouldn't be lack of testing on that plateform.


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Posted By: neotrix
Date Posted: 03 January 2004 at 10:55am
A friend of mine had exactly the same problem cuz i was using frames, i gave him the direct url and it worked, if you are using frames, try signing in, in a frame less envouirment

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Posted By: Guerriero4
Date Posted: 03 January 2004 at 12:25pm

I had the same problem with this forum and i couldnt log-in.

The first time i registered and posted but when i tryied to log-in again i couldnt.

Im used the 'delete all cookies set by forum' but nothing changed. So i just deleted the cookies from Myie.

And here i am posting now



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Posted By: neotrix
Date Posted: 03 January 2004 at 2:29pm

nice tip

i am sure this solves his prob



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Posted By: baxter
Date Posted: 20 January 2004 at 1:42am

I just uploaded the forums to my site and they seem to be working but I cannot log in.  I get the same cookie message as mention here.  I am running XP. 

I have set my browser to allow all cookies.

I have deleted all cookies, temp internet files, restarted, etc...

I have also tried from another computer running XP.  (couldn't even register for this forum on that computer--- same cookie message)

Judging by the number of views this category has, I'd say there must be some kind of cookie issue with the software, relating to XP.  HELP!!!



Posted By: baxter
Date Posted: 20 January 2004 at 2:44am

More info on this...

I've tried from a Windows 2000 machine, and using Mozilla, and still get the same cookie problem.

It's looking like its a problem on the server side possibly with the setup of the forums.  The only thing I've done that could possibly cause an issue is editing the common.asp file to point to where I moved the database.  Anyone have a clue why this is happening or suggestions of what might be done to fix it?



Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 20 January 2004 at 4:25am
If you do a search you will find that this is asked almost daily and I feel like a parot continually repeating myself.

For security reasons browsers can only set and read back in cookies by the site that set them.

Things like URL/IP masking, domain forwarding, frames, dynamic DNS, etc. can prevent browsers from correctly setting and reading back in cookies.

If you are using any of the above it will mean that cookies are not set properly on your site and will prevent the login, system that useses cookies from working.


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Posted By: baxter
Date Posted: 20 January 2004 at 1:44pm

Great.  So how do I fix it?  Is there documentation somewhere on this site that tells how to set up cookies properly on the server? 

I can follow directions well enough to get the forums loaded onto my site, but this is my first attempt at web publishing...I'm new to all of this, I wouldn't know if they were set up properly if they emailed me saying 'Hey dummy, fix us'.  Point me to a manual, or to someone that can help me please. 

And I'm sorry you feel like a Parrot, but if that's the case perhaps there Should be some kind of howto document on cookies put in with the forums download.  If this many people are having a problem with the same thing, then throw us a bone here.



Posted By: Semikolon
Date Posted: 20 January 2004 at 1:56pm
dont use frames and url/ip masking domains like .tk and .cjb.net..


Posted By: bbroadking
Date Posted: 20 January 2004 at 2:41pm

isnīt time to make a mod where the use of cookies is banned.
Mostly a forum is PART of a website and very often websites are running in frames.

It is true that running in frames is the main problem especially on win XP systems. Win XP is very picky about the security level set in

tools >> internet options >> privacy



Posted By: Semikolon
Date Posted: 20 January 2004 at 2:49pm

hmmm.. a forum without cookies.. its like a body without brain..

 

without cookies, users cant login, the last visited time wont work, all posts will either be marked as red or unred, ALL users can post, ALL users can screw your forum in the admin area(as there is no login) and user setting cant be stored(only server side and thats not always the best solution), etc..

in other words, your forum cant be used to anything..



Posted By: bbroadking
Date Posted: 20 January 2004 at 4:51pm
i donīt think the Brain of this forum is only in cookies.
Iīve looked at ASP code, thatīs the brain, plus the brains of the developers, so i still think there must be a way without cookies


Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 20 January 2004 at 7:07pm
HTTP is a stateless protocol, so with clasic ASP, which the forum is written in, the only way to keep track of users is with cookies.

Without cookies the Internet simply has no memory, no memory, no way of remebering who the user is.

If there was another way of doing it, I wouldn't have used cookies in the forum, but due to the way the Internet and HTTP works we are stuck with cookies.


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Posted By: baxter
Date Posted: 21 January 2004 at 12:48am

Well, my suggestion would be some kind of howto on cookies packaged with the forums, since they give so many people this much trouble.  Or at least put a decent blurb about them in the faq or troubleshooting docs. 

As for me it no longer matters.  I've decided against fighting with it.  Moving on to a comercial BB software that my hosting company uses.  Have fun fighting with your cookies and constantly repeating the same advice over and over again -boRg-.



Posted By: asp what that??
Date Posted: 10 February 2004 at 9:21pm

Originally posted by -boRg- -boRg- wrote:

The forum has been built and tested on Win XP since September 2002, so it wouldn't be lack of testing on that plateform.

Originally posted by -boRg- -boRg- wrote:

If you do a search you will find that this is asked almost daily and I feel like a parot continually repeating myself.

For security reasons browsers can only set and read back in cookies by the site that set them.

Things like URL/IP masking, domain forwarding, frames, dynamic DNS, etc. can prevent browsers from correctly setting and reading back in cookies.

If you are using any of the above it will mean that cookies are not set properly on your site and will prevent the login, system that useses cookies from working.

 

well it may not be a lack of testing but xp does have a problem with kookies...i have had the problem more than once...i do not run in frames and i do not ip mask so i would have to say it is the software...and i dont see y people have to say that it must be other things...this software nor any other software is perfect...so y cant you guys just come out and say that??...but anyways love it works most of the time



Posted By: Stubie
Date Posted: 13 February 2004 at 3:21pm

I am having the same problem, only occassionally, same with some of my site visitors.

Is it possible that the actual site that the forum is attached to , when it is writing cookies, could be somehow corrupting the forum cookie value?



Just a thought



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Posted By: dbonline
Date Posted: 14 April 2004 at 9:13pm
Originally posted by baxter baxter wrote:

Well, my suggestion would be some kind of howto on cookies packaged with the forums, since they give so many people this much trouble.  Or at least put a decent blurb about them in the faq or troubleshooting docs. 

As for me it no longer matters.  I've decided against fighting with it.  Moving on to a comercial BB software that my hosting company uses.  Have fun fighting with your cookies and constantly repeating the same advice over and over again -boRg-.

You know, the forum on this site is everybit of "commercial" so I'm not real sure where your coming from. Add the link removal code and you have a commercial product.

As for the rest of your wine (I have cheese if you like) there are hundreds of websites, and god forbid you drive to Borders, buy online with Amazon or whom/whateva, that can help you learn "cookies" and .asp; just like the rest of us have and will continue to. You can't expect -borg- and the others to continue to hand out free support all the time to people that just won't read.

Myself, I've done the same thing, was stupid, put the forum up and didn't change the path of the database. First thing I did was ask on the forum, however if I would of just read the dang instructions like your told to, I wouldn't of been hacked. It did however teach me a big lesson, and now I have to say that I take access database files very seriously.

Right now, I'm having a issue with cookies on the news site module, however while reading, I've figured out that I have a session or global.asa issue. I'll read more from this site and do the trial error thing.

If you can't take the time to "learn" then you should just have a professional do it so you don't make the rest of us look bad. I can't say that I'm a professional web designer, but I am a MCSE, and this comes with the territory.

Ok, just my two cents.  -boRg- You guys rock!!  Take a bow!

 



Posted By: Stubie
Date Posted: 15 April 2004 at 7:27am

It's a great forum, I'm delighted with it, woudln't even consider using any of the others, having tried a couple of them in the past, but I am still getting this wierd occasional problem with my login failing due to 'a problem with cookies' , as are some of my site visitors.

the site is at http://www.mp3unsigned.com - http://www.mp3unsigned.com , uses no iframes, ip masking or anything similar, and I had a real hard time last night getting logged in again, despite even deleting the cookie that was created on my pc, rebooting etc.

If anyone can shed any light on what could be a possible workaround or anything, that would be a great help

Thanks

 



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Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 15 April 2004 at 8:08am
IE, partcully on XP does suffer with a cookie corruption problem, that maybe one day Microsoft might address.

In the meantime the only solution is to delete all Internet files followed by cookie cache to reset the cookie index.

Or the better solution switch to a faster better browser like Mozilla Firefox from http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ - http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ , since using it to test the forum with I found it so much better that it is now my default browser and suffers allot less from many of the problems IE does.

It also has more features and the JavaScript debugging tool is a must for anyone developing their own site.


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Posted By: Stubie
Date Posted: 15 April 2004 at 8:51am

cheers for that boRg, I tried the Firefox browser a few weeks ago, liked it a lot, and I reckon I might just swap over to using it.

 



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Posted By: BoLt
Date Posted: 15 April 2004 at 9:34am

I have been using XP Home, Pro and 98se with Internet explorer 6.0 , Netscape 7.1, Opera 7.21 and Mozilla 1.6 all without fault and using cookies. All has worked fine with Web Wiz Forums on loads of sites up to version 8.0 for some time now, so the forums have been tested by meanly users each day here and other sites. I am not saying that you are not having a problem, just that you must be in a minority and should understand that. All the advice that has been posted here is to help you and getting upset never gets things fixed. To fix this kind of thing you have to look into what is different or get round the problem in the best way you can like BoRg has explained.

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Posted By: Stubie
Date Posted: 16 April 2004 at 5:54am

sorry, is that directed towards me??? If I have come across as upset then you are seriously needing a caffeine fix. I came onto the support forum for this software, explained as clearly as I could what the problem that both myself , and several of my site users are occasionally getting, and asking for advice/information as to how to resolve this.

The majority of problems on websites or any other pieces of software only show up to a minority of users.

Maybe I am missing something here, but what is a support forum for? to knock people who are needing support??

 



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Posted By: WebWiz-Bruce
Date Posted: 16 April 2004 at 8:35am
IE does suffer a cookie bug problem, when I was using IE I found that around once a month cookies would become corrupted not allowing me to login into this forum on this site and problems with cookies on other sites.

The only solution I found was to delete the Internet files followed by cookies to reset the cookie ceach index.

Since moving to Mozilla Firefox around 9 months ago I haven't suffered from the same problem again.



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Posted By: ganasa
Date Posted: 29 April 2004 at 2:23pm

Hi at all and excuse me if my english isn't very well ...

I have read many post about the problem with cookie and I have try many solution but ... then problem not solve:

I insert username and password, click on login button ... "Sorry, only members with sufficient permission can access this page" ...

I have try to modify the settings of IE (all type of cookie accepted) but ... nothing to do ... then I have try the last action: register an account on this forum ... ( if the problem is cookie ... same forum = same problem not? ... not! ) because the same application on different machine (my PC and this server) dont give the same problem? there is other to do?

Michael



Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 30 April 2004 at 7:49am
My tip to you have to be "don't use frames"
Remember: Even if you solve the problems on your pc, other visitors may meet the same problem.


Posted By: dpyers
Date Posted: 30 April 2004 at 11:27am

I've had a problem with some wwf sites. The characteristics of the problem have been.

  1. Go to a New site and register
  2. Go back to the new site in another session later and get the cookie problem.
  3. Use the IE option to "Delete Cookies"
  4. Look in the Temp folder and find that all cookies were not deleted for the site.
  5. Manually delete the cookies.
  6. Go to the site and login
  7. Never see the problem again for that site.

Now, whenever I see the problem, I just shut down the browsers, manually delete the cookies, and go back and login. works for me, and I never have a problem with the site again.



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