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Topic: HELP PLSE! Killing server! Posted: 03 July 2007 at 3:54am |
We just got an emergency message from our host!
Apparently, we're killing the server with the forums.
Since this is ALL we run on the server, it's got to be something with the forums, our setup, or some functionality of the forums
We're going to literally lose our account/host if we don't fix it ASAP.
ARRRGG! And we were just getting going, and the responses were overwhelming!
(another thing I noted - when i read messages in a forum, the new message icon didn''t go away - even after coming and going, reading, exiting a forum and going back in - the post icon changed, but not the forum new message icon, and tonight after this message, even with new messages, the new message icon would not show, just the plain envelope.)
This has us REALLY worried that the forum software is going to kill us!
Here's their message to us:
Hello,
Your account was found to be using 167MB or ram on the Indus Server.
Since this is a shared hosting environment we simply can not allow a single account to monopolize on the server resources. You will need to take immediate action to reduce the memory consumption of your site and application pool to avoid further action on our part.
You will need to check your scripts to determine if there is something that is causing the high memory load. You will need to take steps to insure that your application pool does not consume more then 64MB of sever memory in order to have the current restrictions lifted.
Your site is currently running with reduced functionality as the memory allocated to your application pool has been limited and your session variables are likely being lost due to the worker process being recycled due to the memory limit imposed.
If you have not repsonded to this ticket within 5 days your account will be suspended.
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Best Regards,
Bill King
System Admin Team - Windows and Linux Junior System Administrator I
Edited by billd3 - 03 July 2007 at 4:27am
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Posted: 03 July 2007 at 11:36am |
Your web host is having a laugh, let me guess this is a cheap and nasty web host that likes to pack 2,000 sites per server. Your best bet is change to a new web host ASAP. Web Wiz Forums is one of the most optimised ASP forums you can get with 100's of hours spent on optimising the code so that less than 3 database quires are run per page (most forums have 5 to 20). I see your forum is also running SQL Server version, which there should be no way it uses that much memory, on our own servers we have 50 web sites per application pool which use the type of memory you mention. I would certainly look for a new web host and with such a small forum we would be more than happy to have the your site running on our servers, you can checkout our prices at www.webwiz.net, we can even setup and transfer across your Web Wiz Forums for you. In a few weeks will will also be introducing forum only plans. About the post icons, the present version the post icons are 'since your last visit'. Version 9 available within the next month will be much more accurate and will display how many unread posts in each forum and topic, which is updated as you read the posts.
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Posted: 03 July 2007 at 11:40am |
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I've just checked out your web host and no wonder they have such limits offering 400Gigs of data transfer per month for $8, with only 64Mb of memory available you would be lucky to get up to use 5Gig per month before they kicked you off for using to much memory.
Sometimes cheap isn't always the best and always worth asking a host before what their limits really are if they offer so much at such a low price.
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Posted: 03 July 2007 at 12:39pm |
I must be honest - hope that's ok in public here! The "group" decided to "stay state-side for support issues, etc".
But if this is going to be an issue, then we may need to change gears. The other host does have a 30 day guarantee - we could cancel if things blow-up. But then, we have the issue "moving to a new host" will take us down. Honestly, there's some face-saving to do here - we've promised we won't be down, won't disappear and won't suffer all the performance issues of the other forum. We're replacing a forum that was up and down a lot, moved servers, then finally the admin simply disappeared in the middle of a server move - 2 months ago. We've promised none of that. So, IF we do move, it's got to be lightening fast!! And simple. Email addresses, forum and all, seemless.
Also, SPEED SPEED and bandwidth is important. I personally have had my own sites hosted by them, and their speed is fast, and they deal with helpdesk stuff very fast. Email replies are typically in a couple of hours with 24/7 support via phone-toll free.
That being said, can some explain why server memory is involved, application pool, etc.? What causes the server to use even that much memory *(besides the fact that it's WINDOZE, the leakiest OS in the world)
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Posted: 03 July 2007 at 12:51pm |
PS. - it's small now, but we expect at least 3,000 members in a year with a lot more post activity. Perhaps that IS small in your experience!
That is what's spooky - what happens when it grows - this is just after ONE day, yes, a single day.
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Posted: 03 July 2007 at 2:22pm |
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The forum has even started so the amount of resources being used wouldn't even show nor effect the server.
The web servers application pool stores things like database drivers, session variables, applications variables, and other objects. Web Wiz Forums is very careful to release all server objects etc. as soon as they are no longer needed and close database connections quickly as well. However, the application pool often keeps database drivers etc. loaded in memory, this improves performance because next time that driver is needed it doesn't have to be loaded into memory again.
We would be happy to host your forum, we have forums on our servers which have over 20,000 members and over 100 active users at all times posting more than 700 posts per day, and as we place less than 200 sites per server (instead of 2000) the impact on the servers of these larger forums isn't even noticeable doesn't even send the CPU of the servers above 5% (this is for all sites on the servers) or use a noticeable amount of extra memory.
We run all our servers very sparsely populated with more processing power and memory than is required as we specialise in hosting large advanced dynamic sites and applications.
All of our servers are Intel Quad-Core Xeon servers with multiple mirrored hard drives and redundant backup servers. We have also recently put in place a new database server, again Quad-Core Xeon with multiple mirrored SCSI drives and 6 Gig of memory with SQL Server 2005 x64 installed.
We do have US as well as UK phone numbers, and we aim to answer supports questions with 30 minutes during business hours. Maybe slightly longer at other times, but as the servers are kept constantly up-to-date with security hardening and locked down hardware firewalls technical issues do not happen very often.
Servers and services are monitored 24/7 from 5 geographically different locations, and if any servers or services go down our 24/7 technicians are immediately paged and will begin work on it straight away, many times before you would even know a problem existed.
All of our systems presently run at less than 20% capacity, and if we go over this for any length of time we look at increasing the capacity further by bringing in new equipment.
We also have pre-propagation domain names and services, so you can get your site up and running before you move across, this way your site should not have any downtime.
For a speed comparison you should, be able to see how fast this site runs which is on the same servers as the rest of the sites that we host.
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Posted: 03 July 2007 at 5:55pm |
IF we decide we need to move, which of your plans would you recommend?
At some point, we'd like to open things up so that folks can upload photos of their cars when they post on the forum. Now they must use webshots or something to host their images. We encourage folks to post photos of their projects/cars. So space COULD be an issue............
Bottom line:
“what will it cost/take to accommodate: 2,500+ members, 50+ members online at the same time, several thousand topics, & posts, etc.”
I use FrontPage 2003, will eventually move to their later products, I also use FTP apps to upload simple files.
We'd like to allow certain members to upload avatars and even images.
We also want more than one person to "have the keys to the account".
This must not go down, nor be slow.
BTW - for a few minutes today between 2:00pm and 2:30pm Iowa time, I was unble to access any of your sites.........
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Posted: 04 July 2007 at 4:21pm |
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Only the Elite Plan and Developer Plan come with SQL Server, but the other plans have mySQL which is just as good for a forum database. However for the amount of bandwidth required for what you want then I would look at the Elite Plan, which includes SQL Server, so can transfer across your present database for you.
Web images should be compressed, so if you set the maximum upload size to 100KB (any larger and those on dial-up will fall asleep waiting) then 100MB would be more than enough space. Web Wiz Forums itself contains 200 images which take up less than 500KB.
Yes FP 2003 extensions are supported along with FTP, and you can setup multiple users to have access to your accounts control panel with varying rights.
Our network monitoring reports no issues with our network over the past 24 hours, have you checked with your ISP that they have not had any DNS issues?
Web Wiz Forums version 9 will have a new upload system where you set how much space users have to upload (eg. 10MB) they will then have a File Manager which they can use for uploading images and files to their allotted space, which can easily be included in posts using the attach file, and image windows.
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