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    Posted: 12 March 2006 at 10:10pm
Truth be told, most people are selfish ingrates.  It's absolutely amazing how many people EXPECT a free lunch.

Real gratitude for a product of the quality of WWF isn't a pat on the back and a "thanks" - it's showing it by opening up your wallet.

There's a real problem with free software. The problem is that free software often ruins good software by driving good software out of the market because it can't compete. Quality no longer matters quite often.

When something like WWF is given away for free with ads to incentivize people to pay for it, it helps alleviate that problem. When software developers get paid, they can put more time into the product. When they don't get paid, they drop the product.

If people actually donated for software that they use an appreciate, this wouldn't be such a problem.

Anyone who has used a large variety of software can tell you that in general, commercial software (paid for software) is a safer bet than free software and will cost less in the long run. That's entirely due to the developer having a vested interest in the software they produce.

WWF is a freakish anomaly in that it has been free as it is. Along the same lines Apache and PHP are freaks. They are free, but they work and are viable tools in a commercial / production setting.

I certainly can't fault Bruce for introducing ads & a larger banner. If that's what it takes to get more people to donate / pay for a license, then that's what's needed.

Just FYI - as far as I can tell, donations for free software run around the 1 in 3,000 mark. That's FAR below what it takes to make a product commercially viable.

Some of the large OSS or FOSS projects get funding from large corporations to keep them running. e.g. Sun, Novell, etc. Without their support, some of those projects wouldn't be viable as the are right now.

At the end of the day, somebody always pays for the software. Expecting the developer to shoulder the entire burden isn't reasonable.

Given what WWF is, the small price Bruce asks is cheap.

My only request/complaint would be - ASP.NET! I'd love to see that. Especially with a DNN module! Cry I'd pay again for another license for that in a heartbeat!



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Ooops... Clicked the wrong button.. That was supposed to be a reply to another topic... Oh well...

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just make two version.. a lite one for free.. and a full featured one with pay

or dont give away the .net version for free.. .net is the latest in MS based web developed so far so giving it away for free doesnt make much sense.. considering the learning curve as well.. where as ASP is obselete now..
 
well yes  free software drives out paid one from the market but well its has be to good and worthy as well... otherwise we would all be using linux right now..


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umm i slightly disagree

since borg has been offering this for free with just the link at the bottom
ive been able to use it on non-profit sites for a while now

and being non-profit sites, i dont really wanna go paying for licences and that

if i used WWF commerically i would buy the licence

but now the google ads are in, i feel that pritty much ruins my non-profit sites
meaning am going to be forced to go buy the licence key when V8 comes out
to me, i dont think theres much of a choice in wether having free or paying the licence, the google ads pritty much force the anwer to be pay for licence

i dont feel am that much of a selfish ingrate, since it was originally free.. without google ads... and am running a non-profit site

but i have seen people on the site (especially in the V8 suggestions threads) that are more what your talking about

seem to EXPECT features, and EXPECT what they want, but oviously want to keep the price

i personally agree with boss, i think 2 versions would be alot better

though ive seen borg elsewhere he hasnt got time to maintain 2 versions

though couldnt he make it so features get enabled once you enter the licence key?
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I am sure Bruce has looked at a lot of different approaches to rake some money in for his work here. Now I agree that Google Ads are somewhat intrusive on some sites, what other choice does he have. He could force popups what that would even annoy more.
Given the nature of ASP, feature enabling a product though payment is sort of difficult as people can easily take that out by altering the code. Easier in .net, he would not have to relase source code unless you pay.
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Originally posted by michael michael wrote:

I am sure Bruce has looked at a lot of different approaches to rake some money in for his work here. Now I agree that Google Ads are somewhat intrusive on some sites, what other choice does he have. He could force popups what that would even annoy more.
Given the nature of ASP, feature enabling a product though payment is sort of difficult as people can easily take that out by altering the code. Easier in .net, he would not have to relase source code unless you pay.


+100 for a .NET version!

Originally I figured out the unlock key for WWF before I bought a license. Just for fun of course though. I do have some morals Wink ~!
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I say screw the ads, as it creates a ugly forum, and charge for the forum already!

Even if it was $10 a copy it sure would weed out 99% of the 6 year olds that dont listen, post in the wrong forum, ask questions that have been answered 1000x before, people that only want free stuff and dont care about donating, and it would make -boRg- quit his day job and finish v20 of WebWizForums already Big smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Susan0722 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 March 2006 at 3:29pm
It's hard to tell from the verbose post of the OP if he wants people to pay or if he is ticked that he is now going have to pay to get rid of the ads.
 
Either way, I appreciate the fact that this was free.  I used it for a few days, found it was simple, easy and functioning well.  Then I paid for it!
 
I like the idea of trial before you buy idea.  Unfortuantely it is set up on an "honor system"  unlike some free software that expires after a certain amount of time, and unfortunately too, some people are not so honorable.
 
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