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Alfa
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Topic: Hosting problems. Help! Posted: 07 December 2004 at 5:50pm |
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I have a lot of problems with the speed of the forum. I have upgraded from version 6.3 to 7.9 in order to fix this problem. But it still exists. After all my promotion of the site I am loosing members rapidly. I now believe it to be caused by the server it is installed on. The hosting service says the problems occur because of bad programming & sql statements and therefore amounts of members would be to heavy on their server. But since the slowness/server errors do occur not only when there are many members, but also when there are few members I do not believe that and think something is wrong with the server. I would like to show the hosting service that there are other forums which succesfully have large amounts of members. Could you please post a few links to such webwiz forums with many members? I could use this against their arguments. I really need to fix this problem.
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dj air
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Posted: 07 December 2004 at 6:31pm |
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how many members do you have and im not sure from what you say, what version are you on (DB).
also how many hits a day do you get on average. also how big is the
database. we can tell from that if its likely ot be overloading the
server.
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WebWiz-Bruce
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Posted: 08 December 2004 at 4:06am |
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The problem isn't bad programming as the programming in the forum is very tight.
The problem often comes from using Access as your database backend.
Access as a flat file database system uses allot of the web servers resources which slow down the entire server.
Access works OK with forum software if you have a small forum with only
a handful of members, but if your forum is large or has allot of
members that use the forum it will really push the server as each time
a page in the forum is called the entire Access flat file needs to be
loaded into memory also using up connections from the limited Access
database pool available to all sites on the server.
If your forum is at all large or popular you should consider using the
MS SQL Server version as SQL Server not being a flat file system and
also usually having the SQL Server located on dedicated server, is much
better at handling things like forum software.
If you want performance you should upgrade to MS SQL Server.
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WebWiz-Bruce
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Posted: 08 December 2004 at 4:09am |
If your host charge allot of money for MS SQL Server, you should
checkout our own hosting we offer windows hosting with MS
SQL Server support for only $6.99 per month.
We have also helped allot of poeple who use Web Wiz Forums access
version to move across to MS SQL Server on their hosting accounts.
www.webwiz.net/webhosting
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xeerex
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Posted: 08 December 2004 at 8:37am |
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While you should certainly consider moving to MS SQL Server for a large
forum, I can attest that WWG will certainly handle a load even under
Access.
Here are the stats of my largest forum:
We have 14040 Forum Members
Avg New Members per day: 45.72 (excluding today)
New Members today (so far): 3 | Yesterday: 23
# of Members Visiting Site Today: 107 (excluding new members)
We have 4163 Posts in 744 Topics in 21 Forum(s)
*Note: I have purged the database twice removing approx 4k members each
time who had no posts in 30 days. Current database size is 14MB.
At peak times, my active users list will show 80-160 members, although
normally it cruises along between 20-40. This is the key with Access, concurrent connections.
It does not handle lots of connections as MS SQL Server can; however,
if the server is setup properly and you maintain the database,
Access can do ok up to a point. Yes, I am on a shared server as well.
My host has to restart the server about once a week, but that is fairly
typical on a shared MS server and was happening before I started that
forum anyway.
I hope this information helps. In summary, yes WWG will definitely
scale. It naturally performs very well under MS SQL Server, but also
performs very respectably under Access.
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Posted: 09 December 2004 at 4:43pm |
I'm on ms sql server. Webwizforum 7.9 I have 32648 Posts in 5093 Topics in 47 Forum(s) The database is around 100 mb. 2731 members. (I purge the database for inactive members weekly) I get 1337 page views per day. Most of the time there are 10-40 active users. Every time I do something to promote my site or bots come by, the amount of visitors goes up and that's the end of the forum, because I get server errors and pages won't load or load extremely slow. The slowness of the forum is not only there when I get lots of visitors, but also at various other times.
Xeerex, that helps a bit. Can anyone point me to a webwiz forum site which has over 200 active members regularily?
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Alfa
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Posted: 17 December 2004 at 8:37pm |
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Anyone? I was getting about 100 new members a day until the server errors started to chase them off. I now get around 1500 pageviews a day.
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WebWiz-Bruce
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Posted: 18 December 2004 at 5:11am |
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You haven't mentioned what the errors are so can not really help.
If you are finding it's running slow and you are having over 200
concurrent uses then you are probably using allot of server resources
as that is allot of database hits, page views, and data transfers.
With that amount maybe you need to look for a web host with less
populated servers, or even a dedicated server to cope with the amount
of resources your forum requires.
On a shared hosting environment your host has probably limited the
resources your site has available so that when your site comes under
allot of load it doesn't effect other sites on the servers, therefore
your site will run low of resources and run slowly.
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