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WebWiz-Bruce 
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 Posted: 18 May 2006 at 9:52am |
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I've not even had the time to start writing it yet!!
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Posted: 18 May 2006 at 10:17am |
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I've not even had the time to start writing it yet!! |
The reason I asked is because I'm about to release a new design of my personal site and I was wondering if it is a matter of weeks/months for you to have it done.
I'm afraid that I won't be able to upgrade like last time in which I lost 1000 members and about 6000 topics. I have an arcade mod on my forum which has its own database tables so upgrading is not easy for me, and I thought I should wait for you to release the next edition 
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WebWiz-Bruce
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Posted: 18 May 2006 at 2:06pm |
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The actual upgrade process will not change from the separate tool you can download already which works very well at updating the database schema.
I just plan on making a new tool that will make it simpler to run the same upgrade tool.
If you modify the database schema yourself it will always course issues when upgrading the database. You will need to remove any changes you have made to the database first before upgrading.
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Posted: 18 May 2006 at 11:07pm |
I have never understood why it's so hard to update DB schemas between minor versions? Isn't it just to add a new field to DB. I guess it's that easy if your DB is unmodified.. or?
And for peoples with modified DBs: Couldn't they just open DB localy on their computer and then just add the necessary field to it manually?
Would you mind elaborating for me why it isn't that easy.. 'cause I would really love to understand it much better :D Or maybe you could point to a website explaining more detailed how it works?
BTW: Is it possible to make it so that WWF automatically redirects you to the last page you viewed, instead of always returning you to the forum frontpage.
As it is now, if I view this topic and isn't logged in when I hit the reply button, then WWF will ask for my login-details and thereafter transfer me to main forum page instead of the same page as I selected the reply-button from.
Annoying if your on page 3 in a topic located on page 8 in a sub-forum.... and needs to find your way back to that certain topic after login ;o)
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Kristoffer
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WebWiz-Bruce
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Posted: 19 May 2006 at 9:58am |
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Some of the early versions use to make database changes between minor versions, but I quickly learned that most people are not database savy.
To me a you adding a new database column is simple, but to many people altering a database is far beyond them.
Look at version 8, even supplying a tool to update the database schema many people are to scared to use it and so have not, or will not update to version 8.
I find that database changes are best only done once in a while, which is why they only occur for major new releases.
As to your suggestion, it will be looked into.
Edited by -boRg- - 19 May 2006 at 9:58am
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Posted: 19 May 2006 at 10:10am |
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Some of the people who download the forum don't even know what a database is or what ASP is. Sometimes you even get people who download WWF and try to install it on a Linux web server not realizing that it won't work because they assume all web hosting is the same.
And for some people, changing the code is hard enough, but asking them to alter the database is downright scary, not to mention dangerous.
But, one thing that can be done that would solve this whole problem is install scripts. This is becoming more and more common, even to the point where some forum and CMS and blog systems detect when there is a new version and offer administrators the option to install the new version automatically just by going through a web-based interface.
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WebWiz-Bruce
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Posted: 19 May 2006 at 10:15am |
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This is the root I am planning on going down, but as I am moving office at the moment and attempting to setup an SBS 2003 system, it is a very busy time. I've still not managed to also get the office telephone system back up, which uses VOIP.
Once this is complete I hope to have more time to spend on coding, and also looking at taking on some part-time staff to help out with the admin side and all the paper work that is piling up.
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Posted: 19 May 2006 at 3:44pm |
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Okey, I now see what the problem is :D
I definetively see both wistex' and -borg-s points, but I really hope it's possible to be able to add db changes also to minor versions, because I get a feeling that only altering the DB between major version have a big downside too. Many good features and functions are put waay forward in time due to this db problem.. and that is a shame.
So it would be really cool if we could find a good solution on how to solve this. I know many users are not capable of altering the code or DB, but I don't believe that sould count so much that it forces -borg- to only make db changes ever 2nd year or so :D
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Kristoffer
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