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ctscott 
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 Posted: 23 January 2006 at 1:59pm |
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i purchased the boxed set a few years ago and plan on purchasing another when V8 comes out just to help support WWF. why? because to date, WWF maintains a steady quality and presence in the ASP forum software world. for the amount of effort put in to it and work done the price is excellent. thanks -boRg-.
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kezza
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Posted: 06 February 2006 at 7:23am |
I can't believe there's folks that gripe about the Google ads!!
Development and support for a package like this simply isn't something someone can do in a spare couple of hours a week. I'm on my second installation of WebWiz - the first one is ad supported as it's a personal forum; I purchased a link removal for the second one (and made a small contribution) because it's for commercial use.
Let's face it, £30 is bugger all to pay for something this comprehensive, especially with unlimited upgrades etc. Who on here hasn't paid a lot more than that for 'mainstream' software only to find they get crap support (or none at all) or are expected to pay for it .... prime example ADOBE.
As so many others have said - in this life you get NOTHING for free, but reasonably unobtrusive ads are a very small price to pay for it!
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Scotty32
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Posted: 06 February 2006 at 12:00pm |
i understand where people are coming from about the google ads its ruining their sites image, and in a sense, its not really "free" software as your being forced to pay to remove the ads i think a better idea would be to add features that are just "extras" and dont count to the CORE forum, eg subforums etc to the "link removal" and they only work if you pay i my self really dont want the google ads on my site so am gunna go buy the link removal when V8 comes out, but i feel like am being forced into it before anyone comes back with "but borg this, borg that" - i completely understand why borg has added the google ads i dont agree with it, but its borgs software, hes free to add it if he likes, and atleast you get the option to remove it even though i feel your being forced pay, as people said, its not alot, am sure borg *could* get alot more for this forum before people even begin to nice the price, let alone complain on a different topic:
 kezza wrote:
Let's face it, £30 is bugger all to pay for something this
comprehensive, especially with unlimited upgrades etc. Who on here
hasn't paid a lot more than that for 'mainstream' software only to find
they get crap support (or none at all) or are expected to pay for it
.... prime example ADOBE. |
ive never acctually USED support for anything (eg printer, computer, PC software [not WWF]) i acctually thought it was strange the only support i use is for hosting (though thats completely different  )
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wistex
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Posted: 24 February 2006 at 3:48pm |
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I'm glad that there will continue to be a free version, even if its ad supported. I remember when I first started out, I couldn't afford the license. And the free version got me started. I eventually paid for a license and link-removal.
I initially didn't like the ads because before there wasn't any, even though I understood and supported why. But I'd rather have Borg get paid and continue supporting the software than stop due to lack of funding.
I've had to deal with that myself in different areas. I don't mind helping people out, but some people don't seem to understand that I have bills to pay and want everything for free. So I understand and support Borg and his ads.
Speaking of ads, it would be nice if after you bought the link-removal/ad-removal key, you could insert your own AdSense account number in and continue showing ads but get paid yourself. :)
Edited by wistex - 24 February 2006 at 3:49pm
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Mart
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Posted: 11 March 2006 at 10:20pm |
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If you ask me it's a shame WWF now has ads in the free version. If you aren't getting enough monetry contributions to make it worth your while, why not ask for code contributions instead?
IMHO the only thing preventing WWF from reaching its full potential is the fact that it's starting to become too much for 1 person to handle (don't get me wrong - you're doing a great job), in theory if you opened up development before it would cut the amount of time you would need to spend on WWF, increase the WWF release cycle and make for a better product.
Just something to think about.
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WebWiz-Bruce
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Posted: 15 March 2006 at 11:43am |
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I agree with you, it is getting to much for 1 person to handle and am
hoping to take on someone to work in the office helping with the admin
work and helping keep the actual site updated so I can spend more time
coding, which is what I enjoy doing.
As I can not afford to pay much I was thinking of looking for a Student
from Bournemouth Uni where I use to attend to see if a budding web
developer was looking for some work experience during their placement
year.
I have tried asking for code contributions in the past and asking
people for help through this site, but to be honest the response has
always been extreamly poor or most of the time none at all, as who
wants to work for free.
I also find that allot of the code which people contribute (in mods etc) is not up to
what I would call a commercial standard as most people are either
inexperienced or rush the job as they are not being paid to spend the
time required getting it to a professional standard. So I wouldn't be
happy using most of it within my software.
Even if I did find a good bunch of developers willing to write code for
free, this would then mean most of my life would be spent project
managing instead of witting the software.
I also believe that one of the reasons why Web Wiz Forums has such
tight code, and good security, is because it is written by only one
person, so standards remain high and constant throughout the software.
I have tried working with others before and usually I find in many
teams there is always a lack of communication meaning much time is
wasted and allot of mistakes are made.
Although Web Wiz Guide was started as a hobby it is now a business and has to be approached in that way from a business point of view or our investors (the bank) will pull the plug on the whole thing.
This doesn't mean that I have lost site of the roots of this site, and I am still very passionate about it. I have allot of plans for this site once version 8 of Web Wiz Forums is released. I want to completely redesigning it from the ground up, by effectively splitting it into two parts, one part the software which most people come for and the over part keeping with the roots of the site focused on web development with a large knowledge base of reviews, articles and code snippets.
I hoping to also get others to submit work to the web development part of the site, but I have learnt that people simply will not submit stuff for nothing and to get a high standard people will want paying, so I will probably need to introduce some sort of payment scheme for every submitted article that is used. Although this will be free to everyone to view it will need to be paid for, which is where advertising and software license come into it.
As they say though, nothing is free and at the end of the day someone needs to pay for; the office, time, admin work, support, developing the software, hosting, computer equipment, etc., so the funding must come from somewhere.
Edited by -boRg- - 15 March 2006 at 12:01pm
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Mikey
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Posted: 15 March 2006 at 11:57am |
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I agree with the fact that this forum software is so tight because every single peice of code comes through and from one source (-boRg-). This is the reason why Webwiz just works so smoothly and well.
The mod writters, skin developers and Language gurus do a great job working on top of the tight codebase and from version 8 it's clear to see that -boRg- listens to what we have to say.
I personally would like to see -boRg- continue as the coder and overall oversee'er (spell) of the software as it's been him that has kept it so tight, basically what we have here is a great community supporting -boRg- with ideas, mods, skins and other bit's and bob's but without the bloated and loose nature of forums such as PHPBB.
On another topic i'm sure other regular forum users such as myself etc would be willing to help manage the community, this forum etc without pay just to give you more time on the actual business of coding.
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thataintchicken
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Posted: 16 March 2006 at 1:50am |
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-boRg-, if you need help moderating the website, I'd be happy to volunteer to help you out. I have a lot of experience under my belt from various places like RateMyTeachers.com, The Yellow Pages Linkshell on Final Fantasy XI, ElderScrollsForum.com, ArabRoboticsForum.com, VanadielKnights.com (former), WindurstKnights.com (former), and a few more that have slipped my mind.
Just want to help ^^
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