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Maybe he means attachments?
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Originally posted by Gullanian Gullanian wrote:

Maybe he means attachments?


Nope. Not attachments.

Images that are displayed inline are either pulled off a server (bad) or MIME encoded inside of the email (good). Images should be encoded inside of the message. When you open the email (from an email client, not web mail), you should see images displayed as:

<img src="cid:IHBjhgbIGUy65567GUYGUYYGUt7tFUYVUYY7t7f6fUYGFugu"&g t;

The CID part you can read below the email in an encoded format.

Images that are ripped off of servers (lazy html) look like normal images on a web page. e.g.:

<img src="http://www.somesite.com/theimage.gif">

The size of the email then is very small because the images are not in the email, which is very cheap to send. e.g. A 2KB email vs. a 78KB email. Spammers like cheap...

Normal people would embed the images when sending email. So you can guess which emails get filtered by spam filters.

A lot of spam filters are just cheezy crap that don't work properly. They throw the baby out with the bathwater.  So if you actually want someone to receive your email reliably... You get the idea.


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Originally posted by wrote:

The size of the email then is very small because the images are not in the email, which is very cheap to send. e.g. A 2KB email vs. a 78KB email. Spammers like cheap...

Normal people would embed the images when sending email. So you can guess which emails get filtered by spam filters.


That's great. Like I want somebody sending me emails that have 15-20 images of 10-15KB each that are embedded so that my email is slowed down even more. What about dialup users?

There are more reasons to NOT embed images than your suggestion of "being lazy".Wink

I personally have image display turned off in my email client. I don't send email to see images. I use it to convey text or send file attachements, which may include images. As a matter of fact, I don't put images in my newsletter. Straight text only with links to webpage articles if the reader needs to see images.


Edited by xeerex - 05 December 2004 at 5:12pm
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all my wishes are also  in web Wiz Mailing List, therefore probably I take these.
But I have a few questions about WebWizMailingList
1- If you download it on this website, is it then ready-for-use, can you send newsletters and make a subribe and unsubscribe on your website?
2- What are your experience with WebWizMailingList, is it a good program to send business mails?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote EvE1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 December 2004 at 4:48am
Why should you make life difficult. Download and buy(the guy deserves it) for ony approx €40,= the Web Wizz Mailing List. http://www.webwiz.net/asp/sample_scripts/mailing_list_ script.asp
 
I did it and I like it a lot. Hardly any bugs(I only found one and it was a very small one). User friendly and complete. And probably it will only get better since the developer keeps creating updates!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bluefrog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 December 2004 at 9:23am
Originally posted by xeerex xeerex wrote:

Originally posted by wrote:

The size of the email then is very small because the images are not in the email, which is very cheap to send. e.g. A 2KB email vs. a 78KB email. Spammers like cheap...

Normal people would embed the images when sending email. So you can guess which emails get filtered by spam filters.


That's great. Like I want somebody sending me emails that have 15-20 images of 10-15KB each that are embedded so that my email is slowed down even more. What about dialup users?

There are more reasons to NOT embed images than your suggestion of "being lazy".Wink

I personally have image display turned off in my email client. I don't send email to see images. I use it to convey text or send file attachements, which may include images. As a matter of fact, I don't put images in my newsletter. Straight text only with links to webpage articles if the reader needs to see images.


There is 1 OVERWHELMING reason to not embed images... It really looks like spam. A well designed email should make use of primarily HTML, then CSS, and a couple images, but not 15~20! That's complete insanity. My standard email template for business mails has 3 images totalling about 10k. 1 is a logo, 1 for branding, and 1 is a background image. The email is beautiful every time I send it. (Our designer is fCensoredg amazing! - He's also the guy responsible for the avatars I use.)

Spam filters work on a "points" system where emails earn (or are penanilzed with) spam points. Once it is over the "spam" threshold, it is flagged as spam. Here are some excellent ways to earn spam points:

  • Use "lazy html" (it is a specific term that is commonly known) to hotlink images in email.
  • Use a dynamic IP address
  • Include flagged words in the subject line, e.g. free, sex, porn, credit, mortgage, etc.
  • Send pure HTML emails with no text alternative
  • Send email from a country or IP range that is blacklisted
  • Have your SMTP server identify itself as a domain other than the "from" address, like "localhost.localdomain" - that's a really good one to get extra spam points.
  • Send your email as a single image with no text or anything at all.
  • Blah blah blah...
The point is that if you care about your email arriving, you should really try to avoid getting spam points.

Non-spam email campaigns should have 1 top priority - to build customer/client relations. This can't be done if your emails don't arrive.

Text emails are good, and I personally prefer text myself, but that isn't most people. The fact is that you do get better responses from HTML emails. People like flashy stuff/crap - how else can you explain the success of game shows, reality TV, infotainment like Access Hollywood, or hyponews like the American version of CNN (the international version actually conveys information)?  Flash and glitz are what people want, not intelligence, reflection, or valuable information. Depressing, isn't it?


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Originally posted by henkvdberg henkvdberg wrote:

all my wishes are also  in web Wiz Mailing List, therefore probably I take these.
But I have a few questions about WebWizMailingList
1- If you download it on this website, is it then ready-for-use, can you send newsletters and make a subribe and unsubscribe on your website?
2- What are your experience with WebWizMailingList, is it a good program to send business mails?


For 1 - yes.

For 2 - Depends on your business. The question isn't really about the WebWizMailingList, but more about the components you use. CDONTS and CDOSYS are very weak. You are better off using the ASPemail from Persits. It is a very good component and is reliable - which is everything for business. The free version of Jmail is weak, but their full version is much much better. Since WebWizMailingList is ASP, you can modify it easily to suit any custom requirement you may have. Bruce's code is exceptionally easy to follow and modify. His code reads like a complete tutorial on ASP. Numerous people have learned a lot from him.

If you are running a mailing list from a web site, then it is ideal.


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Good post BF.
 
This link shows some of the point values assigned for determining if an email is spam by SpamAssassin http://spamassassin.apache.org/tests_3_0_x.html
 
Some hosts have an option in their spam blocking software to have the results of the spam scam posted into the headers of the email. If your host has that option, it's a pretty informative exercise to check out the headers in what's flagged as spam/not spam.

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