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Is it just me or does having those ear phones in your ears hurt after like 20min?
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They look like they would hurt, but they wouldn't.  They are custom fit for your ears to be as comfortable as possible believe it or not!
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I have to say the sound quality from an IPod really sucks.

I work with allot of high quality PA sound systems, like Void Acoustics, for doing gigs in medium to large venues.

The sound quality is so high that you can tell the difference between the recording quality of CD's!!

There is nothing worse than doing a gig where the promoter requests that an IPod be used for music. The sound quality is awful and it just sounds really ruff.

IPods are just trendy pieces of rubbish, if you are looking for sound quality don't get one.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gullanian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 December 2005 at 7:17am
Wait, are you sure your talking about output quality of iPods and not MP3 quality?

It's not really fair to compare sound quality of a high quality PA system and a portable media player, they are in different categories.

I'm listening to 320kbps recordings on it, (of which many people agree there is little noticeable difference between them and CD quality) and it sounds fine.

For a standard user, they won't notice the difference between the same song on two different media players in regards to quality in a fair environment.

IPods have a frequency response: 20Hz to 20,000Hz and can output 44.1 KHz, stereo.  Put some decent recordings on an iPod and it will sound great.

For anyone saying sound quality is bad on the iPod, what did you compare it to?




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Originally posted by Gullanian Gullanian wrote:



For anyone saying sound quality is bad on the iPod, what did you compare it to?


 
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I mean, have you plugged another portable player into your car and had a listen?  Is the sound quality much different to the iPod?
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I had a friend plug his iPod in to my car stereo and it sounded like crap compared to my PSP. I couldnt believe the sound quality difference... and yes his MP3's where high quality.
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I'm playing MP3s on my iPod, which says enough... MP3 doesn't offer that great quality. You need lower than 20Hz and higher than 20,000Hz for really great sound. What the human ear "can hear" doesn't matter because you can still feel it.

As an example, a tiger's roar goes lower than 20Hz but even beyond "hearing range", you can still "feel" the roar, which will make your hair stand up on end. There's more to sound than just "what you hear".

For 99% of what you need (BoRg obviously excepted as he does pro audio), the sound quality in an iPod or MP3 is "good enough" though.

For the iPod vs. PSP thing - I wonder what the original content was and how it was ripped to whatever format is was in. WMA is darn good audio compression and easily beats MP3. If you're trying to compare a 128kbps/44.1kHz MP3 with a 128kbps/44.1kHz WMA, of course the WMA is going to kick the b'jeezus out of the MP3 for sound quality. But ripping a CD to a 96kHz WAV won't be any better than the CD, and if anything will only be worse.

The quality of the encoder also matters. Xing or Blade certainly don't give you the quality you'll get from the Fraunhofer encoder.

But I don't really see how it will make much of a difference which player you get for sound quality as the major limitation is the audio format. They all pretty much offer 20Hz to 20kHz frequency response ranges, and for MP3 playback, I'm quite sure that they are all going to use the Fraunhofer codec. So you're pretty much left with the hardware to determine the sound quality. But I can't see the hardware in a $300.00 MP3 player being comparable to a pair of professional studio monitors that will deliver much more accurate sound, and run you a few thousand dollars per monitor...

It doesn't make sense to compare a high-end Seinnheiser mic to an MP3 recorder (like Cowon's) or McIntosh playback to a Creative Labs MP3 player or an iPod. Why not start comparing your camera phone to a Hasselblad or the new Phase One P45?

In terms closer to home here, it's like comparing MS Access to MS SQL Server. Well, duh? They aren't really comparable. Try moving an MS SQL Server database or emailing one... They serve different purposes and all things considered, Access is far better than MS SQL Server for 99% of what most people need (whether or not they use Access is another matter - most people aren't that smart and will use Excel instead...).

Using an iPod for professional use is just silly. What do promoters know about sound quality anyways? Those kinds of decisions need to be made by someone who knows what they are doing.

But for sound quality, I'm not going to strap a G5 running Pro Tools to my back with a couple DynAudio monitors around my head just to get "good sound". It wouldn't make any difference anyways running around busy streets with traffic noise or riding a noisy subway.

But if I were to just go out and buy an MP3 player irrespective of my customers, I'd probably go for a Creative one - after all, if it's good enough for Bill Gates, it's good enough for me Wink --- Just as an aside, check out why Bill is the best!

Does anyone have a Cowon player? I do a fair bit of work for them from time to time.

Anyways... The iPod may not be the cat's meow, but it isn't that bad. And you all already know that I'm pretty quick to add stuff to my digital hate list Big smile ~!

Did I mention that Panasonic sucks?



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