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Supremo 
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Joined: 08 August 2002
Location: Portugal
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 Posted: 18 November 2003 at 7:04pm |
Not wanting to spam, i'd just like to say i like the way the versions are coming out.
I rather have a (patch style) update every few weeks then whole new versions every many months 
- Helps understand the forum better
- Use the new funtions sooner
- Improvements are applied faster
- Easier upgrade processes
- Increased interest and tweaking in the applications
only to name some.
Congrats Bruce, you're one hell of a programmer 
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wistex
Mod Builder Group
Joined: 30 August 2003
Location: United States
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Posted: 18 November 2003 at 8:17pm |
 Supremo wrote:
I rather have a (patch style) update every few weeks then whole new versions every many months |
Yes, it would be helpful if there was a FULL VERSION and then also an UPGRADE VERSION with just the incremental changes.
It is a pain to download the whole thing just for a couple of files that changed. And, I would like to look at the version history before downloading to see if I want to upgrade.
I am heavily modifying the forum, and there are some things that I may not want to change.
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ljamal
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Joined: 16 April 2003
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Points: 888
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Posted: 19 November 2003 at 6:46am |
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Agreed, especially when there very minor changes that don't effect one version. Such as the change for the Active Users which really didn't affect SQL Server users.
Will there ever be a time when there is an optimized SQL Server version? With just minor rewrites, I have been able to increase performance by 20-30 percent on some pages. With all the recent updates, I have the choice of using a older quicker version that I modified or a new slick slow version, so I stick with the faster version which mean less MODs from me as I'm less likely to MOD a version of the forum that I'm not using.
I would love to see a SQL optimized version of the forum and would offer whatever asisstance was needed to see it done. Otherwise 7.51a with the none Active User pages of 7.6, will be my last download as I will focus on optimizinig that version and sticking with it as long as it serves my needs.
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WebWiz-Bruce
Admin Group
Web Wiz Developer
Joined: 03 September 2001
Location: Bournemouth
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Points: 9844
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Posted: 19 November 2003 at 7:04am |
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As there are less calls to the database the SQL server version is speeded up by using version 7.6
There is arround 3 less database hits per page now that application
level veriables are used to store the active users data, which makes each page
of the forum load fater on both the Access and SQL server versions.
Edited by -boRg-
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ljamal
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Joined: 16 April 2003
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Posted: 19 November 2003 at 7:19am |
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If you are using the "out of box" solution this is ture, but I converted everything except the ForumPermission function call down to one SQL call, the Active Users enhancement doesn't really help me.
When I get back into community developing mode (probably in December) I'll be taking a really hard look at WWF and its database and be optimizing it for SQL which will include table changes, adding pre-built table views and building new stored procudeures.
Having undetaken a similar task with version 7.01, it will probably take the full month to complete, but I expect to see 50-60% performance improvements on most pages. In just looking at the default page, I found a way to cut all the SQL calls for the category and forums down from 1 call per category (plus one call to get the category) down to one call altogether by just creating a join for the Forum and Category tables. That alone is a HUGE improvement.
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mbd2
Groupie
Joined: 21 May 2003
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 124
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Posted: 19 November 2003 at 3:19pm |
Looking at the history file these files have change
1. group_details.asp - fixed javascript bug on page
2. member_control_panel.asp - hyperlink closing tag missing
3. register.asp - same as above
4. email_notify_subscriptions.asp - same as above
5. printer_friendly_posts.asp - changed so that each post is displayed in it's own table so that formatting is not carried over.
6. emoticons_inc.asp - added new emoticons to this file and new images in the smileys folder
The following files are changed for the new non-database active users tracking
1. active_users_inc.asp
2. default.asp
3. active_users.asp
4. functions_common.asp - in both the main forum and admin section
5. statistics.asp
Since I have customized my wwf, would you recommend only updating the first 6 files. Would that be a safest wat to start the update?
www.mbd2.com/forum/
The last files dealing with active users may involve more time then worth at the moment. I have a lot of stats on the front page.
Is there a spead increase too? Reading above post and little confused. Running Acess version.
Thanks
Dale
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WebWiz-Bruce
Admin Group
Web Wiz Developer
Joined: 03 September 2001
Location: Bournemouth
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Posted: 19 November 2003 at 4:35pm |
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You need to update all the cahnged files for it to be successful.
If you are using the active users feature then there will be a speed increase.
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kmacy
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Joined: 15 March 2002
Location: United States
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Points: 73
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Posted: 19 November 2003 at 4:44pm |
ljamal,
I don't agree with you about v7.6 not increasing the speed of these forums for Sql Server.
See my post:
http://forums.webwiz.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=7365&am p;PN=2
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Ken Macy
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Web Wiz Forums 7.6 FULL released