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Scratch 
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 Posted: 12 April 2005 at 7:35pm |
 dj air wrote:
im not sure how -boRg- is doing the liciencing
i think existing licence keys will work (will have to be confirmed by him)
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Well, this is an important question. Is there a plan for existing license keys to work?
dj air wrote:
but for the actual upgrading its self
this depends on the ammount of differences and ease of changing, adding and deleteing certiain things are.
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Well, duh.
Look, it would be realy nice to get answers to these questions instead of just speculation. I really like the Web Wiz Forum, and I need to get something started soon so I'd like to use v7.9, but we're all just totally clueless when it comes to the upgradability of v8.0. Can we use the same license key? You don't know. Is there a plan to allow database compatibility? You don't know.
Hobbyists looking for the latest, cool software that they can use for free don't care about compatibility or licensing, and so they can wait for these answers. But for us professionals supporting commerical sites that pay for our software, and must think six months down the road or we go hungry, these are crucial questions.
Edited by Scratch - 12 April 2005 at 8:29pm
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michael
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Posted: 12 April 2005 at 7:57pm |
Again, as for license, as djair said, it will have to be answered by borg. I realize that commercial applications need to plan in advance but at this stage the product is not even in beta so this may all depend on the final feature set in 8.0. If I look back at previous major version releases the licensing has never been an issue so I am sure Borg makes it as painless as he possibly can.
As for the upgrade, I am sure you will have to replace most files and there is no way for borg to guarantee that mods will work so just assume that they won't and check with the creater to provide an update if necessary. The database upgrade will be doable, I don't think there is a scenario where an upgrade script cannot be written so even if it does not come with the initial shipment of 8.0 I am sure one will be provided somehow.
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Posted: 12 April 2005 at 10:07pm |
Scratch wrote:
dj air wrote:
but for the actual upgrading its self
this depends on the ammount of differences and ease of changing, adding and deleteing certiain things are.
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Well, duh.
Look, it would be realy nice to get answers to these questions instead of just speculation.
But for us professionals supporting commerical sites that pay for our software, and must think six months down the road or we go hungry, these are crucial questions. |
Look, what about simply reading Borgs update policies? Isn't that what professionals are supposed to do?
Borg wrote:
 All link removal keys are available on a buy once upgrade forever policy. Your link removal key(s) will work on the present version and all future minor and major updates. |
Clear enough for professionals?
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WebWiz-Bruce
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Posted: 13 April 2005 at 6:28am |
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If you purchase a license key for version 4,5,6, or 7 it will work for
version 8 (version 4 was the fist version requiring a license key). If you upgrade you shouldn't even need to re-apply it.
Between minor versions (eg. 7.01, 7.5, etc) I keep the database the same.
On major updates, (eg. 7 to 8) I usually make major changes to the
forums engine and to add new features, to support this database changes have
to be made.
I will look into creating an ASP application that will update the
database, or if times an issue ask if someone else can look into
creating one. At the moment it's just a few tables that need altering
and for the SQL Server version, I'm planning on dropping almost all the
old stored procedures and write new ones, this will make updgrading the
Stored Procedures simpler.
Because of time contents I have nothing to do with mods, which are
usually written by 3rd parties, so some mods may work with the next
version others will not. This would be something you would need to
check for with the mod writer nearer the time.
However, I will when I get to a development stage with version 8 that
the core parts are finished I will look into integrating some of the
most popular mods into version 8.
Hope this answers everyone's questions on this subject.
Edited by -boRg- - 13 April 2005 at 6:34am
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Posted: 13 April 2005 at 11:06am |
Scratch wrote:
Well, duh.
Look, it would be realy nice to get answers to these questions instead of just speculation. I really like the Web Wiz Forum, and I need to get something started soon so I'd like to use v7.9, but we're all just totally clueless when it comes to the upgradability of v8.0. Can we use the same license key? You don't know. Is there a plan to allow database compatibility? You don't know.
Hobbyists looking for the latest, cool software that they can use for free don't care about compatibility or licensing, and so they can wait for these answers. But for us professionals supporting commerical sites that pay for our software, and must think six months down the road or we go hungry, these are crucial questions.
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Hey Scratch, I'm in the same boat. I'm trying to build a suitable replacement for O'Reiley WebBoard 4.x and I've decided to go with WebWiz. Unfortunately for me, my need is urgent and I need to deploy something this week but I don't want to waste a bunch of time coding stuff that will be released in the new version.
My solution: I'm using a temp forum that is the basic installation. My 7000 users and 10 moderators will just have to deal with the limitations for now. Once the new version is released, I will create the new forum and use the member database from the temp forum. (Since it is a volatile religious forum, I will likely have a re-confirm of the user agreement but no need to re-register completely.) Once the new code is in place, I will make my modifications. Again, this is so I don't waste time. Based upon what I've read, the data access is going to be much different so I feel it's better to just wait.
My other solution was to either pick another forum or simply modify this one.
RE: the license key, there is an assurance when purchasing the key/s that it includes lifetime upgrades.
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Scratch
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Posted: 13 April 2005 at 3:50pm |
dj air wrote:
im not sure how -boRg- is doing the liciencing
i think existing licence keys will work (will have to be confirmed by him) | |
sfd19, I asked the question in response to what dj air wrote above. No need for you to get snippy about this.
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